Battle of Palmyra. Last words...

[zack1234]

If you don't have a job all the above is hot air

Points of view are over rated for the masses

[rabbidrabbit]

If you don't have a job all the above is hot air

Points of view are over rated for the masses

So are pointless posts.

[rabbidrabbit]

Only the good bad guys, or is it bad good guys?

Herein lies the problem.  The world is all sorts of shades of grey.  If you can't back rainbows and unicorns then you are stuck with supporting the lesser evil to help keep the greater evil in check.  Realism sucks but it's still there.

[zack1234]

Gibberish

Evil?

What are you gibbering on about?

[LCADolby]

If only the British Empire lasted for 1000 years, this could have been our finest hour, removing another evil from the world.

[zack1234]

What are you gibbering on about?

[Changeup]

ISIS was the result of a fusion of the Iraqi Al Quaida and the remains of the Baath party, the command structure of the Ex-Saddam regime allowed The extremism to become efficient on a previously unseen scale. Nothing of this would have happen Iraq hadnt been invaded. Saddam would not have allowed a group like AQ to gain any sort of power. The invasion created an environment that made it possible for a group like ISIS to be created and gain power, like it or not. It was not the intention but it was the unexpected side effect.

The vacuum created by the Coalition forces leaving too soon created the environment for ISIS to thrive, not the war itself.  They are mutually exclusive events sir.

The Ex-Saddam regime had absolutely NOTHING to do with ISIS.  Syria did.  The unpatrolled lands to the west of the Kurds along with the Syrian civil war ENABLED ISIS's growth and polarization in the area, not the Saddam leftovers.

[Zimme83]

Except that you are wrong. Do some research on the subject.

[rabbidrabbit]

Except that you are wrong. Do some research on the subject.

It's fine to disagree but your argument is less compelling when it lacks any points.  In what ways is he wrong? 

[Arlo]

https://www.quora.com/How-did-ISIS-form-When-and-where-did-ISIS-begin.

[GScholz]

When writing web links is one of the few cases when you should not use punctuation.

[Changeup]

Except that you are wrong. Do some research on the subject.

My research was summarized in my post.  Let me know if you need anything else

[Zimme83]

My research was summarized in my post.  Let me know if you need anything else

Well.. Research usually means that there are some kind of sources that the conclusions are based on. There are a lot of evidence that support my claim (for ex the link I posted earlier) but you maybe think that the scores of Ex-saddam folks among the higher ranks of ISIS is a pure coincident?


http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-iraq-islamicstate/
http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-saddams-former-army-is-secret-of-baghdadis-success-2015-6?r=US&IR=T
https://theintercept.com/2015/06/03/isis-forces-exbaathist-saddam-loyalists/

[Changeup]

Well.. Research usually means that there are some kind of sources that the conclusions are based on. There are a lot of evidence that support my claim (for ex the link I posted earlier) but you maybe think that the scores of Ex-saddam folks among the higher ranks of ISIS is a pure coincident?


http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-iraq-islamicstate/
http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-saddams-former-army-is-secret-of-baghdadis-success-2015-6?r=US&IR=T
https://theintercept.com/2015/06/03/isis-forces-exbaathist-saddam-loyalists/

Your original claim was that ISIS was a result of the war.  All your "research" proves is that leftover Saddams needed a job in I-Hate-America and found it.  There is no correlation that research that proves your claim nor does it disprove early withdrawal was the reason for the ISIS bloom.

[Zimme83]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/camp-bucca-the-us-prison-that-became-the-birthplace-of-isis-9838905.html

But yes - the withdrawal of U.S forces is also a factor among others. But I have never tried to claim otherwise either, I just said that the fusion of radical groups like iraqi Al-quaida and the leftover from the Saddam regime created a far more destructive group since it added a military command structure to the jihadists. Without this they would not have been so efficient as they have.