51 Pilots and 190 Pilots

[shift8]

I watched a particular 190 player last night.  It was quite funny.  He set above the field at a safe altitude while his comrades took the risk to deack the field.  Once deacked he vulched.  Then, when their fighter cap started to collapse, he ran home to land his kills leaving his comrades to be chewed up.

One key to avoiding some of these kind of players is checking the status of town.  Vulchers like the one above are rarely interested in base capture, just in their score. If the town is up most likely it is a points gathering, vulch.

I will not argue that vulching requires skill. That 190 pilot should have covered his friends if the situation allowed for it.

But complaining about vulching is silly in the MA. The MA is a virtuallized air war. Wrecking airbases is part of war. Why on earth would you allow enemy planes to take off when your trying to cap a base?

[caldera]

I will not argue that vulching requires skill. That 190 pilot should have covered his friends if the situation allowed for it.

But complaining about vulching is silly in the MA. The MA is a virtuallized air war. Wrecking airbases is part of war. Why on earth would you allow enemy planes to take off when your trying to cap a base?

Oh, I don't know, maybe to have some sort of a fight?   

[FX1]

So I guess in your view we should just eliminate all but the tightest turning planes? Or perhaps you think I should just kill myself by dog fighting your spit 16 with a 190?

Up a turning plane when the fight becomes appropriate.

[shift8]

Oh, I don't know, maybe to have some sort of a fight?

And I would want to do this why? The objective is to win. If you want a more even fight, you should man ack or take off from another field. If you take off from a field that is already screwed, you need to accept that you are choosing to fight from a disadvantage instead of complaining for other players to behave stupidly for your benefit....

[shift8]

Up a turning plane when the fight becomes appropriate.

If I am still able to up, and extending can still be used to my advantage....then the fight is still viable from a energy fighter. If the fight is right over the field and the enemy has the clear advantage: then its time to cut our losses and up from somewhere else to retake the high ground. The only time I can think of where a turn oriented fighter would be appropriate is if the fight as already gone very very south. If that is the case, then it makes more sense to take off from somewhere else and try to retake the initiative. Reinforcing failure just leads to more failure. And a strong argument could still be made that taking off in a fast fighter would still be better since at least then I might be able to extend out and away instead of orbiting my field waiting to be vulched.


ALSO: What is and is not a E fighter is completely relative. If I up in a Spit 16 or spit 9 I am still a E fighter vs some fighters. This will be true unless were all in Brews or Zeros. Or all in the same plane. So even If I dont pick a 190 or a 51 or a Spit 14, or etc it really doesnt change anything. Your just moving the goalposts. If we all flew spit 9s and there were no 51's everyone flying something slower would just start whining about how the "Run-Spit" is such a troll plane.

[The Fugitive]

And I would want to do this why? The objective is to win. If you want a more even fight, you should man ack or take off from another field. If you take off from a field that is already screwed, you need to accept that you are choosing to fight from a disadvantage instead of complaining for other players to behave stupidly for your benefit....

For many the objective is to fight. Check out this film called 51lulz. He doesn't use a bunch of alt, nor does he "extend" but while flying close to an enemy base he bags a bunch of kills. This is how you CAN fly a pony

http://speedy.sh/tQRa3/51lulz.ahf

[caldera]

And I would want to do this why? The objective is to win. If you want a more even fight, you should man ack or take off from another field. If you take off from a field that is already screwed, you need to accept that you are choosing to fight from a disadvantage instead of complaining for other players to behave stupidly for your benefit....

I wasn't complaining about anything, but trying to point out the purpose of the game is not to win, but to fight.

[shift8]

For many the objective is to fight. Check out this film called 51lulz. He doesn't use a bunch of alt, nor does he "extend" but while flying close to an enemy base he bags a bunch of kills. This is how you CAN fly a pony

http://speedy.sh/tQRa3/51lulz.ahf

He flew well. But that only works when you have bad opponents. Much like how you can win a 1v2 if you are better.

With enough relative skill, you can get away with anything. I've won sea level duels with Ki-84's in a P-51 in the DA that started CO-E etc. Had my opponent been as good as I was, that would have been impossible. PART of skill is knowing when to fight and how to fight in a given plane vs a given plane. It is outright foolish to hedge your bets that the person flying the other fighter will fly badly and allow you to make up the difference. That is a last resort.

[shift8]

I wasn't complaining about anything, but trying to point out the purpose of the game is not to win, but to fight.

Yes but the purpose of any fight is to WIN. If I am flying a plane that does not turn as well as yours, I am a retard if I intentionally try to turn fight you as my first option.

[The Fugitive]

LOL!!! at this time, there are very few "good" pilots.

The point is you can be aggressive in ANY play. They are, after all, free when and if you should loose one. 

[caldera]

Yes but the purpose of any fight is to WIN. If I am flying a plane that does not turn as well as yours, I am a retard if I intentionally try to turn fight you as my first option.

Obviously you want to win, but there isn't much value to a one-sided fight.  Winning in a fight where the outcome is occasionally in doubt is much more satisfying, as is the fight itself.

[shift8]

LOL!!! at this time, there are very few "good" pilots.

The point is you can be aggressive in ANY play. They are, after all, free when and if you should loose one. 

lol what? So in what universe is someone allowed to fly a fast fighter in the manner in which they were IRL? I'm not on your schedule. People fly this game for different reasons. What I find fun in AH is to fly planes in a historical and smart manner. Im not here to give you a even or fair fight. Its up to you to get one for yourself.

So far as I'm concerned you can fly the game however you like. I'm not going to ridicule you outside of discussion of what is and is not effective tactics. So why is it that the turners cant accept that others dont play the game to let them win?

And while the plane is free, my time isnt. I want to fly certain planes because I like them for various reasons. I am going to fly those planes in the manner I think they do best. My goal is to kill you. Not to make your day.

[shift8]

Obviously you want to win, but there isn't much value to a one-sided fight.  Winning in a fight where the outcome is occasionally in doubt is much more satisfying, as is the fight itself.

Every single air battle is one sided from a aircraft perspective unless we are in the same plane.

I do not wish to intentionally engage a far superior turn fighter any more so that you desire to engage a fighter that has altitude on you. And in the exact same manner that I might prevail over such fighter(by being better) you also could prevail over a E fighter if you trick him into losing his advantage.

 

[caldera]

Every single air battle is one sided from a aircraft perspective unless we are in the same plane.

I do not wish to intentionally engage a far superior turn fighter any more so that you desire to engage a fighter that has altitude on you. And in the exact same manner that I might prevail over such fighter(by being better) you also could prevail over a E fighter if you trick him into losing his advantage.

We have different philosophies then.  Sometimes I will run from a no-win scenario, but am game for any fight that I think there is even a small chance of success.

[Zoney]

I'm going to fight you to the death each and every time.  Your death.

TA152 uber alles !