51 Pilots and 190 Pilots

[shift8]

We have different philosophies then.  Sometimes I will run from a no-win scenario, but am game for any fight that I think there is even a small chance of success.

Yes, clearly we do. The thing that bugs me here is the rather mean spirited derision from the other camp. I am more than content to let you fly however you like. My point in coming into this discussion was and is not to make anyone fly their plane differently. Its one thing to have tactical disagreements. It another thing entirely to insinuate that one groups is somehow being dishonorable or cowardly because they choose to fly the planes in a different manner most of the time. This is what I don't like.

We all have fun in different ways. For some, the thrill of a fight, regardless of the odds is what makes them happy. That is perfectly fine. For myself and people like me, I tend to lean towards having fun by flying planes is the most militarily realistic manner possible. That is also Fine.

I understand the frustration tactically. I am certain many a Japanese pilot was unhappy when a Corsair refused to turn with him. But there is a difference between a disagreement on what is the most fun way to play a game and the sort of disdain and rubbish that has been posited in this thread and others.

A person is not a Jerk because they don't want to play the game your way.

[Zoney]

Well said Shift8.   

 

[shift8]

thanks

[HL117]

I will not argue that vulching requires skill. That 190 pilot should have covered his friends if the situation allowed for it.

But complaining about vulching is silly in the MA. The MA is a virtuallized air war. Wrecking airbases is part of war. Why on earth would you allow enemy planes to take off when your trying to cap a base?

Always good to back off a little, let them up a bit so fun can be had by all

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[BuckShot]

So I guess in your view we should just eliminate all but the tightest turning planes? Or perhaps you think I should just kill myself by dog fighting your spit 16 with a 190?

I didn't say that, and I don't fly the spit 16. I think running from fights is lame, that's all. Like I said, I let them run and then go find a fun fight for myself.

You can stay in the fight and stay fast.

[DmonSlyr]

Yes, clearly we do. The thing that bugs me here is the rather mean spirited derision from the other camp. I am more than content to let you fly however you like. My point in coming into this discussion was and is not to make anyone fly their plane differently. Its one thing to have tactical disagreements. It another thing entirely to insinuate that one groups is somehow being dishonorable or cowardly because they choose to fly the planes in a different manner most of the time. This is what I don't like.

We all have fun in different ways. For some, the thrill of a fight, regardless of the odds is what makes them happy. That is perfectly fine. For myself and people like me, I tend to lean towards having fun by flying planes is the most militarily realistic manner possible. That is also Fine.

I understand the frustration tactically. I am certain many a Japanese pilot was unhappy when a Corsair refused to turn with him. But there is a difference between a disagreement on what is the most fun way to play a game and the sort of disdain and rubbish that has been posited in this thread and others.

A person is not a Jerk because they don't want to play the game your way.

Let me bug in here for a sec. Based on many years of experience and performing the "staying alive in realistic mode", most people who run from fights don't develop skills to fly that plane at its top performance. You have to know defensive maneuvers. The speed of an aircraft has much more advantage than the plane who can turn great. The American planes were built on this principle. They also happen to be pretty maneuverable. It's too bad most P51 pilots don't try to turn with it more often because they are missing out on a lot more kills. Being able to extend away from any fight or furball is the biggest advantage any plane can have. That is why you don't see many people in Mid war planes because it's very difficult to escape the fight. Without learning defense tactics your only way to get kills is from the advantage. If you don't learn how to get kills from the defense position, you are missing half your game, and thus aren't even flying the plane to its full potential. Once you understand that, you will begin to see why they are much easier to be successful in over other planes. In fact, if you flew a P51, Temp, 190D, to its full advantage you would almost never die.

[The Fugitive]

lol what? So in what universe is someone allowed to fly a fast fighter in the manner in which they were IRL? I'm not on your schedule. People fly this game for different reasons. What I find fun in AH is to fly planes in a historical and smart manner. Im not here to give you a even or fair fight. Its up to you to get one for yourself.

So far as I'm concerned you can fly the game however you like. I'm not going to ridicule you outside of discussion of what is and is not effective tactics. So why is it that the turners cant accept that others dont play the game to let them win?

And while the plane is free, my time isnt. I want to fly certain planes because I like them for various reasons. I am going to fly those planes in the manner I think they do best. My goal is to kill you. Not to make your day.

.... so why are you wasting your time extending and or running from an even or uneven fight?

What is your in game name? Have we fought?

I agree with caldera that we disagree on how to play the game. I don't know if any one is really saying one way is better than any other way when it comes to the game. I do however have trouble understanding why someone would play a combat game, and run away from combat the second things start getting turned against them.

Sure the Japanese pilots weren't unhappy when the hogs wouldn't turn with them, but those pilots weren't paying $15 a month to play a game designed around combat.


PS, I don't really expect you to give me your in game name.

[DmonSlyr]

He flew well. But that only works when you have bad opponents. Much like how you can win a 1v2 if you are better.

With enough relative skill, you can get away with anything. I've won sea level duels with Ki-84's in a P-51 in the DA that started CO-E etc. Had my opponent been as good as I was, that would have been impossible. PART of skill is knowing when to fight and how to fight in a given plane vs a given plane. It is outright foolish to hedge your bets that the person flying the other fighter will fly badly and allow you to make up the difference. That is a last resort.

Last tour I went 31-0  in a Ki84, 19-0 in a 109G14, and 9-0 in the Dhog. All the top K/Ds. You know, staying alive is more than just being able to run away. Being able to extend away is a great advantage but you will never get a lot of kills. Your time in AH will be very boring. If you don't learn how to set up manuevers, take risks and rope planes, learn how well your plane turns against every other plane, than you will always die by getting jumped and you will never get more than 3 kills per sortie. If you don't think, man I bet this guy behind me is a total noob, I can totally juke him and shoot him down, than you really aren't going to get better at the game.

[Oldman731]

I want to fly certain planes because I like them for various reasons. I am going to fly those planes in the manner I think they do best. My goal is to kill you. Not to make your day.

...this just sounds so familiar...somehow...

- oldman

[TonyJoey]

Sure the Japanese pilots weren't happy when the hogs wouldn't turn with them, but those pilots weren't paying $15 a month to play a game designed around combat.

Aerial combat isn't just limited to angles fighting, as much as many wish it were. I don't know about you, but turning for the sake of turning when clearly outmatched in that department isn't necessarily fun to me and I'm sure many others. Sure, you can probably pull it off a few times against less-experienced guys, but anyone of similar skill level should have little trouble making quick work of you. For example, the OP complained about P51's and 190D's running while utilizing the Spit XVI as his main ride so far this tour. Either of the former planes stand little chance in any sort of protracted turning fight with a Spit XVI. Not sure there is really a valid complaint here. I'll stop using my advantage when you stop using yours.

[DubiousKB]

..... I do however have trouble understanding why someone would play a combat game, and run away from combat the second things start getting turned against them...

.. To win. To re-set their advantage. To ensure they aren't killed. To Pad their score. To RTB. To Return the second things start looking advantageous.


lol Stop using your aircraft's strengths and weaknesses! 

[JunkyII]

I watched a particular 190 player last night.  It was quite funny.  He set above the field at a safe altitude while his comrades took the risk to deack the field.  Once deacked he vulched.  Then, when their fighter cap started to collapse, he ran home to land his kills leaving his comrades to be chewed up.

One key to avoiding some of these kind of players is checking the status of town.  Vulchers like the one above are rarely interested in base capture, just in their score. If the town is up most likely it is a points gathering, vulch.

Just so everyone knows....he's talking about me in a 190F8.

I killed 22+ guns and got 3 air to air kills one of them was Randy1 trying to sneak his A20 up on my F8 as I deacked, would have let you go but you tried to kill me...oh I also killed dar and a troop barracks....

Oh and just last week I was low to his P38 and him and his buddy tried to 2v1 me....they both died terrible deaths, anyone want to see it??? Not impressive really, the flying looked like a 2 weeker trying to hump Jayro's leg.

Aerial combat isn't just limited to angles fighting, as much as many wish it were. I don't know about you, but turning for the sake of turning when clearly outmatched in that department isn't necessarily fun to me and I'm sure many others. Sure, you can probably pull it off a few times against less-experienced guys, but anyone of similar skill level should have little trouble making quick work of you. For example, the OP complained about P51's and 190D's running while utilizing the Spit XVI as his main ride so far this tour. Either of the former planes stand little chance in any sort of protracted turning fight with a Spit XVI. Not sure there is really a valid complaint here. I'll stop using my advantage when you stop using yours.

Good Point but I'm still going to call you a Pony dweeb

[Zacherof]

You have made a solid point. Their are some good pilots that i would love to have a 3 min white knuckle fight with. My goal is to have a good fight with every player in the game. I just dont see that with certain 51 and 190 pilots unless i force the fight with major alt advantage.

but it's ok to run in a -4 ......

[Arlo]

 

[pipz]