Erich Rudorffer

[GScholz]

 


Semp

[Stampf]

Don't forget about me.  I'll be hunting you.


Semp

Grizz was wrong.

Bring your weak sauce to my 190.

[GScholz]

You know Semp, I blame comic books. In the real world there are few if any truly "bad guys". Everyone thinks they're doing the right thing.

[JOACH1M]

this wasn't supposed to be a trolling thread.

[GScholz]

Inevitable when posting anything about anyone not wearing the star spangled banner on this forum.

[guncrasher]

You know Semp, I blame comic books. In the real world there are few if any truly "bad guys". Everyone thinks they're doing the right thing.

I know you like to read them but stop.  the fact that germany invaded poland and Czechoslovakia and god knows what else is what started the war.

I like how you stated that germany was attacked first.


semp

[GScholz]

Please stop being such a simpleton. I was describing how it looked from a German perspective back then. A German soldier was told by Goebbels that they were liberating the German populations of the Sudetenland, and taking back the German territories, including Danzig (now Gdansk), given to Poland after WWII. They were liberators, or so German propaganda would like the people to think. After all Poland attacked Germany first, didn't they? That's what Goebbels told them. They staged their own Gulf of Tonkin incident on the German/Polish border. Then France and Britain declares war and attacks Germany in the so called "phony war". Again a propaganda coup for Goebbels, and he used it for all its worth. Many if not most Germans thought they were in the right as they marched into France and the Low Countries. If you for some personal, or other reason can't accept that then so be it. That does not change the facts.

[Masherbrum]

I know you like to read them but stop.  the fact that germany invaded poland and Czechoslovakia and god knows what else is what started the war.

I like how you stated that germany was attacked first.


semp

That is NOT what he said.   You might want to re-read what he said.   

[Vudu15]

hind sight is 20/20 the man fought for his country same as any of us would.....

[guncrasher]

Please stop being such a simpleton. I was describing how it looked from a German perspective back then. A German soldier was told by Goebbels that they were liberating the German populations of the Sudetenland, and taking back the German territories, including Danzig (now Gdansk), given to Poland after WWII. They were liberators, or so German propaganda would like the people to think. After all Poland attacked Germany first, didn't they? That's what Goebbels told them. They staged their own Gulf of Tonkin incident on the German/Polish border. Then France and Britain declares war and attacks Germany in the so called "phony war". Again a propaganda coup for Goebbels, and he used it for all its worth. Many if not most Germans thought they were in the right as they marched into France and the Low Countries. If you for some personal, or other reason can't accept that then so be it. That does not change the facts.

perhaps but you made it sound like germany was attacked first.  based on the full context that a german pilot should be not honored as a war hero.

simpleton, not.

semp

[GScholz]

His bravery and extraordinary achievements will always be tainted by the government he fought for, but unless he was directly involved in the crimes, that taint is slight in my opinion. To quote Ernest Hemingway: "I have watched them all day and they are the same men that we are. I believe that I could walk up to the mill and knock on the door and I would be welcome except that they have orders to challenge all travelers and ask to see their papers. It is only orders that come between us. Those men are not fascists. I call them so, but they are not. They are poor men as we are. They should never be fighting against us and I do not like to think of the killing."

[guncrasher]

His bravery and extraordinary achievements will always be tainted by the government he fought for, but unless he was directly involved in the crimes, that taint is slight in my opinion. To quote Ernest Hemingway: "I have watched them all day and they are the same men that we are. I believe that I could walk up to the mill and knock on the door and I would be welcome except that they have orders to challenge all travelers and ask to see their papers. It is only orders that come between us. Those men are not fascists. I call them so, but they are not. They are poor men as we are. They should never be fighting against us and I do not like to think of the killing."

he pulled the trigger he was involved. not like the foot soldiers that didnt know crap.


semp

[Oldman731]

Please stop being such a simpleton. I was describing how it looked from a German perspective back then. A German soldier was told by Goebbels that they were liberating the German populations of the Sudetenland, and taking back the German territories, including Danzig (now Gdansk), given to Poland after WWII. They were liberators, or so German propaganda would like the people to think. After all Poland attacked Germany first, didn't they? That's what Goebbels told them. They staged their own Gulf of Tonkin incident on the German/Polish border. Then France and Britain declares war and attacks Germany in the so called "phony war". Again a propaganda coup for Goebbels, and he used it for all its worth. Many if not most Germans thought they were in the right as they marched into France and the Low Countries. If you for some personal, or other reason can't accept that then so be it. That does not change the facts.

So...I guess the Germans were simpletons....?

This is one of the rare occasions when I vote with Bustr.  Mark it on your calendar.

- oldman

[GScholz]

he pulled the trigger he was involved. not like the foot soldiers that didnt know crap.


semp

The Luftwaffe knew more than the Heer? Really... What exactly do you think they knew?

[LCADolby]

Bustr started the war, and his little semp to!