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Offline Wolfala

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Riccochet
« on: June 18, 2016, 06:43:30 PM »
This one threw me for a loop. I was shooting an AR today at a steel target used for pistols from 40 yards. I got tagged by my own round 5.56 in the right arm. How the diddly?

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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2016, 06:52:26 PM »
I've seen several riccochets when shooting steel targets.  We started making counter weights on the top to set them in an off-set position as they hang so they don't come back at us.  We also hang them over a ditch, so there is not direct line back at us when we shoot.
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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2016, 07:15:17 PM »
Pistol steel targets are too soft for rifle velocities.  You need AR500/550 steel for rifles, softer steel lets the round stay intact and kind of  'bounce' off (if it doesn't pass through) where hard steel just makes it go 'splat' and break up.

Also ammo type makes a difference, frangible, FMJ, hard cast lead, etc..

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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2016, 08:32:10 PM »


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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2016, 12:17:59 AM »
This one threw me for a loop. I was shooting an AR today at a steel target used for pistols from 40 yards. I got tagged by my own round 5.56 in the right arm. How the diddly?

That is all.

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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2016, 06:56:37 AM »
Had it happen with a .22LR one time.  Not sure which of us fired it as we were sighting in camp rifles as a group.  Scared the hell out of all of us.  No idea where it hit but I heard it whiz past my ear and clang off something.    :O
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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2016, 05:46:20 PM »
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt and then it's just hilarious"

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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2016, 03:54:08 PM »
I have shot steel for over 30 years. Once in a decade i have had some copper come back and draw blood. Eye protection is a good idea but I have never experienced something that could have caused minor injuries. Ar500 is the wtg especially for closer in targets.

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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2016, 04:21:56 PM »
 We were shooting at AR 500 so I'm considering this one a bolt from the blue.  After that we made sure the 50 Cal Barrett was at least 600 meters.


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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2016, 05:11:13 PM »
You simply heat treat carbon steel and let it cool quickly to harden it. 
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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2016, 11:16:56 AM »
You simply heat treat carbon steel and let it cool quickly to harden it.

The AR (abrasive resistant) plate is used in places where you might have lots of abrasion. Our shop is down here in Texas but from time to time we build chutes for heavy duty commercial snow blowers. We use AR 400 for that as the blowers pick up rocks and all kinds of debris with the show.

We use A-36 targets. The shell penetrates and does not come back... either whole or in fragments.
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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2016, 11:25:39 AM »
 Glad your ok Wolfa...Had some copper jacket splatter back at my face once, stung like a bugger. Made me realize safety glasses are a wonderful thing. :aok
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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2016, 02:05:42 PM »
I've seen several riccochets when shooting steel targets.  We started making counter weights on the top to set them in an off-set position as they hang so they don't come back at us.  We also hang them over a ditch, so there is not direct line back at us when we shoot.

Wow.  Great info Bodhi.  We're buying some Grizzly's next month and I've never used them before.  I hadn't given a tag-back much thought before Wolfala's post.

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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2016, 04:17:19 PM »
Always confused me, one of the first things I was taught when it came to gun safety was, "Don't shoot at a hard flat surface."  Next breath, "Let's go to the silhouette range!"

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Re: Riccochet
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2016, 06:44:58 PM »
Getting hit by ricochets be they bullet or jacket fragments is just an exercise in probability.  Shoot enough at flat, hard, or even not flat, and softish targets - ie a variety of backstops, you'll eventually get tagged, and repeatedly so.  When shooting/training is your job, and you do it every single day, be it indoor or outdoors, you start becoming pretty desensitized to it.  The only one that I ever took great note of was the jacket from an SS109 round that hit me (part of it anyway) and stuck in the back of my neck - I was over 75 meters away from the firing line, well behind it, and walking toward the parking lot at the range in question.  Very odd angle and spot, but as I said, when you shoot every day for years, you realize just how common it is, especially with steel plates as targets, and steel backstops indoors, even if designed and installed properly. 

Just glad it didn't hit you in the eye without protection on.  The first range I worked at while putting myself through school had in one week a suicide, a robbery, and a customer lose most of his vision in his eye due to a ricochet indoors on the 50m rifle range due to not wearing eye gear of any kind.

When I worked for Sig Sauer Academy, it was the first range/company to really mess a lot with the frangible ammunition.  Ammo like that which is designed specifically for shooting at flat/hard surfaces, even indoors, still throws a lot of fragments, small though they may be, all over the place.  The idea being they are too small to cause any issues, and it's typically the case.  Not always though.