And the next scenario should be....

[puller]

The 12 hour Battle of Britain 

That is all...

 

[Crash Orange]

New Guinea, 1943, IJAAF Ki-43s and Ki-61s vs. USAAF P-40s, P-38Gs, and B-25Cs. We're about due for a PTO and I don't think that plane set's ever been done, certainly not since we got the Oscar.

[Guppy35]

New Guinea, 1943, IJAAF Ki-43s and Ki-61s vs. USAAF P-40s, P-38Gs, and B-25Cs. We're about due for a PTO and I don't think that plane set's ever been done, certainly not since we got the Oscar.

I could probably find some 80th Headhunter 38G pilots for that one.

Just sayin' 

[Brooke]

The next scenario will run in October.

Let's hear people's suggestions here, and once we discuss things here, and I find out which terrains could be available before October, we'll narrow it down to 3-4 choices and have a vote of players on which one they pick, along with which format 12-hour or 4-frame.

[Brooke]

So:

Battle of Britain
New Guinea

Also have had a suggestion of North Africa.

Other thoughts:

Battle of the Bismarck Sea (like New Guinea, but also ships, A-20's, B-17's)
Aspects of Guadalcanal Campaign
Late-war Philippines (late-war Japanese vs. US stuff)
US 8th AF vs. Luftwaffe (DGS-like)

[Brooke]

One difficulty with PTO, by the way, is that early-war is OK (Zeros vs. P-40's, FM-2's), and late war is OK (late-war Japanese stuff), but if you are putting Zeros or Ki-43's up against P-38's, Corsairs, P-47's, it gets very grim for the Japanese side.  So in-between stuff can get difficult.

Maybe not impossible to think of good matchups, but it has challenges at times.

[BaldEagl]

BOG II

6 Frames running at different times for instance rotating between US morning, afternoon and evening to accommodate more players in different time zones.

US vs Germany also always seems to draw bigger numbers.

[SuBWaYCH]

Devil has an excellent idea for a 12 hour scenario that all of the axis command staff liked - I'll let him share it here.

[BFOOT1]

I'm always up for an 8th Air Force vs Luftwaffe!

[wil3ur]

Damn commie bastards killed Jusi!!!   

[Devil 505]

Devil has an excellent idea for a 12 hour scenario that all of the axis command staff liked - I'll let him share it here.

Operation Cerberus: The Channel Dash (Feb. '42)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Dash

I'm still trying to iron out the kinks in the Allied bomber set. Need to find reasonable substitutes for the RAF and Coastal Command light bombers and torpedo bombers.

Proposed planeset:

Allied:
Spit V
Hurri II
Mosquito (sub for Whirlwind)
G4M (sub for Beaufort)
B-25C (sub for Wellington)
B5N (sub for Swordfish)

Axis:
109F
190A-5 (sub for 190A-2, propose disabling Mg-FF)
110C (sub for 110E)
Ju-88 (if distraction raids are included)

A 12 hour scenario is perfect for this as the actual operation was run on a single day from before dawn until after dusk. There will be a very low cloud deck .The Axis will have the duty of protecting 2 or 3 task groups as they make their way up the English Channel. The allies must prevent the ships from passing through the Straits of Calais.
 

[shotgunneeley]

I definitely vote for a single 12 hour frame. For me personally, it would be much easier to get one full day off to myself than four half-days off.

In keeping with the October time period, the top three I know of would be: Guadalcanal and El Alamein (1942), or Leyte Gulf (1944).

Like you Devil, I thought about how a Channel Dash setup would be so fun - especially as a 12 hour run through the gauntlet. We have ww1 biplanes - I wonder if we could get a torpedo strapped to the f2.b and make that work for a swordfish substitution? The swordish run that day was some of the most daring and bravest flying noted by both sides during the entire conflict.

[Guppy35]

Operation Cerberus: The Channel Dash (Feb. '42)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Dash

I'm still trying to iron out the kinks in the Allied bomber set. Need to find reasonable substitutes for the RAF and Coastal Command light bombers and torpedo bombers.

Proposed planeset:

Allied:
Spit V
Hurri II
Mosquito (sub for Whirlwind)
G4M (sub for Beaufort)
B-25C (sub for Wellington)
B5N (sub for Swordfish)

Axis:
109F
190A-5 (sub for 190A-2, propose disabling Mg-FF)
110C (sub for 110E)
Ju-88 (if distraction raids are included)

A 12 hour scenario is perfect for this as the actual operation was run on a single day from before dawn until after dusk. There will be a very low cloud deck .The Axis will have the duty of protecting 2 or 3 task groups as they make their way up the English Channel. The allies must prevent the ships from passing through the Straits of Calais.
 

Skip Mossies.  The Whirlwind was a small footnote and the Mossie would be a far better performer.  Skip subbing Japanese planes.  Kills any immersion immediately.   Bostons, Mitchell's, Spits V and Hurricane II variants

Not perfect but at least the planes were flown by both sides.  If determined to have Torps use the RN TBF.  The trade off would be similar to the better performing A5 subbing for he 190a2

[Brooke]

12-hour format opens is interesting, as you folks point out, as there are actual battles that ran for a day or couple of days, so the timing of it is more realistic in that regard.

Channel Dash, Coral Sea, Midway, Battle of the Bismarck Sea, some of the battles in the Guadalcanal Campaign, Operation Torch landings, Operation Husky landings, D-Day, Alder Tag, and a bunch of others that I don't know off the top of my head.

[ROC]

If you all run a 12 hour event, I urge you to talk to Nefarius and I about how we balanced the last one. It was an absolute grueling exercise with a massive spreadsheets counting each object on each target, damage each of the bombers could do, reasonable expectation of survival, and an incredible item by item, plane by plane, hour by hour expectation on balance with a specific formula to adjust hardness based on turnout if needed.
Trust us, 12 solid hours literally came down to one final run at the end of the day.
If you don't put that much detail into the setup, it may be difficult run.