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Offline JimmyC

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Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« on: June 27, 2016, 01:30:49 PM »
Trying to run aces high through a mixer and speakers.
The end result is unpleasant noise.
There is background noise and static etc.
I can run other programs fine..music and movies..all crispy clear
Just AH2 & AH3 have a nasty white noise.makes it unplayable.
Any ideas why this could be?
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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2016, 02:18:44 PM »
Did you go into the games Options->Game Sounds panel and make sure it is using the correct devices?

By the way.  We have no real control over this.  The source audio is clean and that is all we can do.  It is up to the computer to get the audio out to the speaker.  Other applications are not using the DirectSound API of DirectX.

The fact the same problem is happening between AH2 and AH3 says something is amiss in the computer as AH2 ad AH3 use completely different software audio systems.  This means for the same problem to happen, it has to be happening after the game has already handed the audio to Windows.
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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2016, 07:26:45 PM »
Are you using "mic input" instead of "line in?"
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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2016, 08:57:59 PM »
Have you tried the Sickpuppy soundpack? :lol
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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2016, 12:11:08 AM »
OK..thanks for your replies and thoughts..
I dug a little deeper into the problem and found a way to negate the horrible interference..
Its quite odd.
To me at least....
In graphic details I had to reduce all the advanced graphics..bump mapping was the biggest culprit
By reducing all these components to lowest level the static..interference. went away.
Bearing in mind when I don't go through the mixer/stereo  I have everything pumped to max.
Using hdmi to tv, audio on tv.
So I have gtx960 with hdmi to tv..now I have disabled audio on the hdmi and  am running a lead from my realtek Jack audio out to my mixer.
Like I said..movies and choons are all good.
Any idea what the issue is...obviously I don't want to have graphics down low
But do like the idea of the roar of my mighty merlin coming outta my Kef 90s speakers.
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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2016, 01:04:11 AM »
You are one of the lucky individuals that needs an external DAC in order to get clean audio, or at least an internal card with shielding.
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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2016, 01:45:09 AM »
But movies play with good sound and all my music too..
It seems to be a video card issue  to some degree..
How would a DAC help.I don't know the first thing about them..just read a tad on Google now.
I'm going from the pc line out to a pioneer serato ddj-S1 3rd channel.to my amp..admittedly the amp is an old 90s technics dunger..but it plays all other digital stuff fine
Making the video card work more makes more noise..what gives?
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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2016, 02:46:49 AM »
As Skuzzy said, music and movies don't use the DirectSound API or DirectX. Games do.

When playing the game, your video card relies on DirectX, too. The more features you have enabled the more DirectX action goes on in your video card.

Movies go through the video card with minimal effort. As you know, a movie has everything readily made whereas a game has to draw every form, structure, skin, shadow and movement on the fly, simultaneously creating a synchronized sound environment. Even worse, movies run at 28 or 30 frames per second which is about the minimum for an enjoyable game experience, 60 FPS being the preferred speed. Further, some people already swear by frame rates of 120 or 144 Hz being superior to that.

So, simply put, it is a video card issue to some degree as you suggested, but it's not a sign of faulty hardware.

As per a DAC, it takes the clean sound "code" in a digital form outside your case, thus eliminating any static interference issues. - As you may have noticed while reading on Google, the price range of DAC's is enormous. In your case even a USB stick type external sound card might eliminate the noise, but if your soundcard has an optical output I'd opt for a little more expensive DAC with an optical input. I just read a review of DAC's where a €60 gadget equaled ten times more expensive gear by sound quality, the differences being mostly in case material and number of outputs.

The age of your amp doesn't matter. If you can get a good sound out of it from other sources, it's proven to work. Your gaming sound issues are somewhere else, most likely because of two DirextX devices struggling to give you the best gaming experience.

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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2016, 06:38:10 AM »
Thanks Biz and Challenge
I appreciate you taking the time to help.
Well I tried a pnp USB sound card( had one knocking about for my laptop)
It made no difference to the problem.
What I am having trouble understanding is that the audio is fine on the HDMI to tv..but there is no audio out Jack's to use .obviously  cos it's a gpu lol..
Been using motherboard sound card for headphones
Maybe I should just stick to headphones...
Thought it would be fun coming out the stereo..
Justed moved house and setting up my mancave..sleepout...office space ..read retreat from children sanctuary.
Headphones will surfice I suppose..they have until now.
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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2016, 10:54:22 AM »
You can try rerouting your internal cabling and especially separate power cables from data cables. If you find one particular device or cable that is particularly noisy (usually a fan, or IDE cable) then you can just change it out. Make sure you are not using metal twist ties, as they can cut through the shielding and cause other issues. Make sure that your motherboard is mounted with all of the grounding holes utilized and so on. It may not totally eliminate the noise issue, but could very well bring it down to a tolerable level.

There are USB DACs for less than $60-90.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_17?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=creative+external+sound+card&sprefix=creative+external+sound+card%2Celectronics%2C177

The only question I have is how you are using the mixer, but I think it's doubtful that the noise is coming from there.
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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2016, 02:50:16 AM »
As I was thinking about your issue, another possible explanation came into my mind: Power.

As I previously said, showing 30 photos in a second is no issue for your video card. Drawing 30+ photo realistic images in one second is a much bigger effort. Video cards can do it, but it takes power. The more complicated the image flow including transform and lighting, the more energy is used.

Now, since games use DirectX for both sound and graphics, your power supply may favor the video card, giving it the biggest share and letting the sound circuit get what's left.

Another possible bottleneck is your processor. Again, the video card might dominate and the sound gets what's left.

It's hard to tell, since you seem to get a decent sound from your headphones. Basically, using the same output jack or rather a dedicated Line Out jack, the signal should be equally clean both for your headphones and your amp. There might be some gain issues causing overdrive, but those should be easy to solve by reducing the volume in the computer.

Yet another factor might be grounding issues. That would explain the good sound in your phones. You may want to try to bypass the Pioneer and connect your computer directly to the Technics amp to eliminate one potential culprit. You may also try a galvanic isolation thingy between your computer and the amp.

As for the fine audio on the HDMI to TV, there should be a line out in the TV, too, allowing you to connect your TV to the amp. That is, if you're using your TV as your gaming monitor. Most modern TV's have at least a headphone jack, usually also a pair of RCA jacks for home theater use.

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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2016, 11:26:37 PM »
are u using Nvidia Virtual Audio driver?

go into device manager and see if its installed, I disabled this and it helped with what u describe.
I use realtek onboard for mic, analog and NVidia HD audio to use hdmi thru lcd speakers. Under sound devices I have enabled realtek HD audio and Nvidia HD audio only.
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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2016, 05:54:56 AM »
There's a couple things you can do that I haven't seen listed here. It could be as simple as configuring your sound playback device and/or disabling sound effects to fix it. Worth a try if you haven't done it.

1) Go through the windows playback device configuration wizard.
Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Sound > Manage Audio Devices > Select your playback device > click "Configure"

2) Try the windows sound playback troubleshooting tool.
Control Panel > System and Security > Action Center > Troubleshoot common computer problems > Hardware and Sound > Troubleshoot audio playback

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Re: Audio through stereo..crackled..noisey..unpleasant
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2016, 01:31:27 AM »
thanks for all the ideas.
I bypassed the mixer/controller and that  sorted the issue out.went straight into the amp.Bizskillz!!
It did seem to help it alot..
I have done the Nvidia Virtual Audio driver disable and will check if that helps.Thanks MADe
I think the controller is sensitive audio gear..its for serato so you would think it would handle digital well..
all in all I will have a fiddle about but the work around of going straight into the amp does not cause and issues and is just as convenient..
its not like a need to get in the mix while flying any way lol
the controller did have much more sensitive EQ`s etc.. but its no drama..
Thanks anyway for thinking through the problem with me Gents
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