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Offline Vraciu

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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2016, 02:45:48 PM »
Quote from: FLS on July 08, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
The standard DA merge is a co-E head on no shot merge. There is nothing unrealistic about it. It's used in real pilot training with the addition of a minimum lateral offset to prevent collisions. It isn't common in the late war main arena but it can happen there too.

In competition dueling the merge is spelled out in the rules and is usually an altitude ceiling, maneuver as you like when you see the bandit icon, and no shot until after the first pass.

It is completely unrealistic for what is encountered in the MA.

If you had some other anecdotal experience in the MA that's great.   I suggest it is the exception not the rule.

The DA has its purpose, but for me it is a snooze fest. 

It's your $15 just like it's mine.   I prefer the MA.   

I hope the OP gets what he is looking for as I know how frustrating it is during his peak flying time.

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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2016, 03:09:01 PM »
Quote from: Tumor on July 08, 2016, 02:01:26 PM
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2016, 03:45:21 PM »
Nvm.
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2016, 05:34:18 PM »
Quote from: Vraciu on July 08, 2016, 02:45:48 PM
It is completely unrealistic for what is encountered in the MA.

If you had some other anecdotal experience in the MA that's great.   I suggest it is the exception not the rule.

The DA has its purpose, but for me it is a snooze fest. 

It's your $15 just like it's mine.   I prefer the MA.   

I hope the OP gets what he is looking for as I know how frustrating it is during his peak flying time.

The point of the thread seems to be to have fun in the DA.  I don't see the relevance of it's utility in the MA although I would argue that since it's good training it's useful in any arena.
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2016, 05:40:31 PM »
Quote from: FLS on July 08, 2016, 05:34:18 PM
The point of the thread seems to be to have fun in the DA.  I don't see the relevance of it's utility in the MA although I would argue that since it's good training it's useful in any arena.

My point is.....for me.....personally....it creates bad habits that do not bode well for success in the MA.

YMMV. 

To each his own.

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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2016, 05:44:50 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2016, 06:15:09 PM »
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2016, 06:19:12 PM »
Guys he is going to squat on your post until he makes this untenable for you to communicate in. Skyyr had that habit. Wonder if he is letting skyyr use his account while he is out of the country...
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2016, 06:23:32 PM »
wow - more fighting goes on in the BBS than the MA!!

V - I am happy for you to join in and have a 5k alt advantage to make it more like the MA.  It will help the rest of us in our defensive moves.

So far we have:

Fess
bustr
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Simon?


Any more takers?
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2016, 06:27:34 PM »
Quote from: bustr on July 08, 2016, 06:19:12 PM
Guys he is going to squat on your post until he makes this untenable for you to communicate in. Skyyr had that habit. Wonder if he is letting skyyr use his account while he is out of the country...


Look, if Chicken Little and Co. are gonna' keep attacking me with lies don't expect me to just sit here and take it.  How about showing some class and asking them to put a sock in it?   I have tried to step out of this thread three times only to be repeatedly smeared.  Not cool.
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2016, 06:29:04 PM »
Quote from: FESS67 on July 08, 2016, 06:23:32 PM
wow - more fighting goes on in the BBS than the MA!!

V - I am happy for you to join in and have a 5k alt advantage to make it more like the MA.  It will help the rest of us in our defensive moves.

So far we have:

Fess
bustr
Fisbait
Simon?


Any more takers?

Well, I might actually learn something THAT way.  :aok

Seriously, though, I will holler at you when I am back in the land of the big PX.  Maybe I will join in. 
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2016, 12:31:47 AM »
See Rule #4
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2016, 03:56:56 AM »
Quote from: Vraciu on July 07, 2016, 11:20:48 AM
The standard DA merge is unrealistic.   I used the words precisely as I intended.

 :headscratch:  A head on merge "standard DA merge" would result in a Head On shot in the real world, maybe in the MA  :neener: . In the DA The HO shot is withdrawn on the first merge and a gentlemens agreement to not HO holds after. The entire idea of a fair fight is non-existent in the real world and MA.  Only under gamey rules in the DA do we start to have equal chances of winning.  :old:


PS The Head On shot is the REAL DUEL!  :old: :old: :old: :joystick: :joystick: :airplane: :airplane:
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #58 on: July 09, 2016, 09:08:47 AM »
Quote from: Vraciu on July 07, 2016, 11:20:48 AM
The standard DA merge is unrealistic.

As already pointed out by TC there is no "standard" DA merge except guns cold.

Quote from: Vraciu on July 07, 2016, 07:37:28 AM
I don't like the DA because the merge doesn't represent "the real world" of the MA and ingrains habits that get me killed. 

Learning to merge in the DA is directly translatable to success in the MA.  The only habit you could possibly unlearn is the HO.
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Re: DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it
« Reply #59 on: July 09, 2016, 09:20:39 AM »
FESS, may I make a suggestion, Sir....

You posted something regarding possibly needing to initially rank participants via their perceived skill level...

I recommend setting up your "Dueling Ladder" to where anyone who signs up is coming in to the event on an even/equal status, which would be "Not Ranked"....the dueling ladder itself will provide the ranking all by itself, and everyone signed up knows going in that everyone is starting off on the same terms!

Hope this helps

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