DA 1 on 1's - let's step up and go at it

[Vraciu]

See Rule #4

[Vraciu]

As already pointed out by TC there is no "standard" DA merge except guns cold.

Yes, there is. Co-E.  Cold guns.  Equal fuel. Same armament package.   No chance of someone coming in for a pick. 

Totally not what is seen in the MA.

That's my perspective and you are free to disagree. 

[LCADolby]

See Rule #4

[BaldEagl]

Yes, there is. Co-E.  Cold guns.  Equal fuel. Same armament package.   No chance of someone coming in for a pick. 

Totally not what is seen in the MA.

That's my perspective and you are free to disagree.

There are many merges seen in a duel that are not Co-E.  Some people use WEP, others throttle down, some use a diving merge, others go for lateral offset.

If you think a pick is a merge you might want to study ACM.

[Vraciu]

There are many merges seen in a duel...

Not the point.

If you think a pick is a merge you might want to study ACM.

I never said I did.

Go back and re-read. 

[BaldEagl]

Not the point.

But it was the first thing you pointed to:

"Yes, there is. Co-E.  Cold guns.  Equal fuel. Same armament package."

[TonyJoey]

The DA and 1v1s in general with a same plane setup are by far the best way to improve as a pilot in AH in my opinion. The fight/time ratio is unmatched and the skills you pick up in there will be invaluable in the MA. Obviously there are elements of an MA environment that the DA cannot reproduce, but having a solid foundation in duels and dogfighting will get you pretty far.

[AAJaded]

Feel free to join a few of us tomorrow night 7pm-9pm EST. We have a 5,000 km cap tomorrow and using the death valley area (sec. 8.8 to 8.11 if I'm not mistaken).
 We use vox 237, and have a great time.  We average 15-20 players during that period time. 
We meet every Sunday same time and bounce around the sub-arena's

Hopefully you'll give it a shot.  Its great fun.

[FishBait]

FESS, may I make a suggestion, Sir....

You posted something regarding possibly needing to initially rank participants via their perceived skill level...

I recommend setting up your "Dueling Ladder" to where anyone who signs up is coming in to the event on an even/equal status, which would be "Not Ranked"....the dueling ladder itself will provide the ranking all by itself, and everyone signed up knows going in that everyone is starting off on the same terms!

Hope this helps

TC

That's a great idea TC. Thanks for the input! Hope Fess adopts it, but either way I'm good.

Since we all got our #4s out of the way, maybe we can salvage this thread and not piss on Fess's good work (sorry for my part in that, Fess). Hopefully those not interested in participating or providing valuable recommendations will bow out gracefully so we can continue the discussion.

[JunkyII]

The DA and 1v1s in general with a same plane setup are by far the best way to improve as a pilot in AH in my opinion. The fight/time ratio is unmatched and the skills you pick up in there will be invaluable in the MA. Obviously there are elements of an MA environment that the DA cannot reproduce, but having a solid foundation in duels and dogfighting will get you pretty far.

QFT



The problem with a ladder is...

1. Agreement on the rules(someone has to take charge and they need some backing from the community)

2. Participation, a lot say they want to participate but then miss their duels so it ends up being a bunch of forfeits which is no fun for anyone.

3. Lack of a judge/witness during a contest. Many have had similar turd experiences in the DA an FM2 pilot went to the DA with me once and was diving in prior to icon range to have an E advantage....did it again with someone watching and all the sudden he didn't know what to do (Someone cheating/griefing in the DA should be flattering...means their afraid of your Skillz)

The best way IMO is to have a dueling ladder "night" where someone watches all the duels and the rules are set prior to...no exceptions....changes can be made later if the majority of participants want the change....Kind of like KOTH (DISCLAIMER: KOTH is not a 1v1 event, it is better classified as a  Battle Royal...last man standing wins but at the same time there are a lot of 1v1s which happen at different E states so you have to have SA and knowledge of ACM to win....still have yet to see a pilot win a KOTH who I didn't think couldn't pull it out...a lot of people are afraid to come out for KOTH because they believe it has a lot of ego but truly it gets squashed fast)

[Vraciu]

But it was the first thing you pointed to:

"Yes, there is. Co-E.  Cold guns.  Equal fuel. Same armament package."

Yep.

That's the standard that 99 percent of duelers encounter/employ. 

And the fact is the airplanes start at an identical weight with identical potential E.   Never happens in the MA.

So it is unrealistic from my perspective.   

You're welcome to your opinion on the matter with which I will disagree.

[Vraciu]

The DA and 1v1s in general with a same plane setup are by far the best way to improve as a pilot in AH in my opinion. The fight/time ratio is unmatched and the skills you pick up in there will be invaluable in the MA. Obviously there are elements of an MA environment that the DA cannot reproduce, but having a solid foundation in duels and dogfighting will get you pretty far.

Good points.  Can't disagree with the logic behind them.  However, at this stage I learn more in the MA through trial and error.  Maybe that will change in time. 

[Vraciu]

That's a great idea TC. Thanks for the input! Hope Fess adopts it, but either way I'm good.

Since we all got our #4s out of the way, maybe we can salvage this thread and not piss on Fess's good work (sorry for my part in that, Fess). Hopefully those not interested in participating or providing valuable recommendations will bow out gracefully so we can continue the discussion.

I am curious as to what Fess proposes for the setup.

Planes?

Number of duels?

Schedule?

I admit to being interested.   Could be a good learning experience.

[NatCigg]

Yep.

That's the standard that 99 percent of duelers encounter/employ. 

And the fact is the airplanes start at an identical weight with identical potential E.   Never happens in the MA.

So it is unrealistic from my perspective.   

You're welcome to your opinion on the matter with which I will disagree.

you will sell yourself short if you do not master the fine art of stall fighting when every second of every decision you make is aiding or dismembering your chances of life or death, and there is nowhere to RUN! 

Just saying. 

 

[Vraciu]

you will sell yourself short if you do not master the fine art of stall fighting when every second of every decision you make is aiding or dismembering your chances of life or death, and there is nowhere to RUN! 

Just saying. 

 

I am plenty good at stall fighting.  That's not what I am deficient at.