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Offline DaveBB

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Amazing flying skill
« on: July 09, 2016, 09:50:22 AM »
Check out this video of an E2C Hawkeye landing on a carrier, the cable snapping, and the aircraft rolling off the deck.  It disappears below view for what has to be at least 3 seconds, only to reappear!  That plane was fully stalled, and he somehow managed to get it back in the air. I imagine ground effect played a big part in that.

However it is very unfortunate that several sailors were injured (but not killed) by the arresting cable.

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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2016, 01:31:47 PM »
To be honest, the airplane likely was never fully stalled - it rolled off the deck at a relatively low angle of attack which didn't result in enough lift to maintain level flight, and therefore began a descent.  It may be that the crew did not rotate prior to the deck edge due to the initial cable capture and deceleration, or that it is normal procedure for any missed cable/go around.  I can't tell how much the aircraft slowed before the cable broke, but it likely was at a lower speed than a normal go-around from a missed cable as well.

Blown wings like that are rather difficult to actually stall with high power settings, since the prop directs the air over the wing.  I'm sure that it DID leave quite an impression on the crew, however...

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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2016, 02:09:25 PM »
When they are landing on a carrier, once they hook the cable they go full throttle until they come to a complete stop....

Missing the wire (cable) and possibly snapping one, is the reason navy pilots often practice "touch and go" maneuvers...


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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2016, 05:47:03 PM »
Get flying skill.
The plane captain had to clean the upholstery, I bet! :evil:
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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2016, 06:03:55 PM »
Quote from: mikeWe9a on July 09, 2016, 01:31:47 PM
To be honest, the airplane likely was never fully stalled - it rolled off the deck at a relatively low angle of attack which didn't result in enough lift to maintain level flight, and therefore began a descent.  It may be that the crew did not rotate prior to the deck edge due to the initial cable capture and deceleration, or that it is normal procedure for any missed cable/go around.  I can't tell how much the aircraft slowed before the cable broke, but it likely was at a lower speed than a normal go-around from a missed cable as well.

Blown wings like that are rather difficult to actually stall with high power settings, since the prop directs the air over the wing.  I'm sure that it DID leave quite an impression on the crew, however...

Mike

I can add to that. The E-2C has an AOA gauge, a remarkably useful tool, that gives you your ACTUAL angle of attack, not the artificial horizon readout. What that means for the pilot is, he has the ability to read on a gauge exactly how far back he can pull before stalling, without having to "feel" for the stall. For us, all stall recoveries are a pull to 24 units AOA, but in an emergency like that, I know once the gauge reads 30, I'm falling for sure. 28, and I'm safe to hold. Don't get me wrong, it had to have been TERRIFYING for the pilot and crew, just adding a little more detail to the procedure.
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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2016, 06:05:27 PM »
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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2016, 08:21:32 PM »
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Offline Gman

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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2016, 09:39:58 PM »
Didn't see this, and re posted it in Aircraft today - impressed me big time too.  Was hoping Serenity would comment too - imagine those poor E2C crew with no go wheee chairs, and just stuck in there, hoping at best that if you go splash, you can climb out and go swimming, and hopefully not get run over then by a 100,000 ton boat.  Interesting stuff about the AoA and whatnot.

These other videos - insane pilot ability, that rough seas Brit helo was crazy, the Seahawk, or CoastHawk or whatever too.  Chinook too, I bet that was at high alt as well, making things even mushier control wise.
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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2016, 12:30:52 AM »
That was one cool customer.    Great job.   That would have scared me senseless once the adrenaline wore off.  Wow.

Eight sailors injured by the cable.  I hope everyone makes out all right.
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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2016, 12:16:01 PM »
Quote from: Gman on July 09, 2016, 09:39:58 PM
go swimming, and hopefully not get run over then by a 100,000 ton boat.

I've always wondered this myself... How far off of the angled deck do you have to get before you hit the drink to NOT get sucked right under the ship?
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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2016, 02:02:22 PM »
Quote from: Serenity on July 10, 2016, 12:16:01 PM
I've always wondered this myself... How far off of the angled deck do you have to get before you hit the drink to NOT get sucked right under the ship?

E-2s are notorious for the crew NOT getting out when it goes in the drink...

Like many of the fleet workhorse aircraft over the past 50 years (S-2, C-1, and C-2) there's only one to get out of an E-2 in an emergency... Climb out after the crash. 

The jet jocks often razz the aircrews of those birds, but they really have great respect for them knowing if the pooh hits the fan, they have to ride through the entire turd....
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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2016, 02:17:40 PM »
Quote from: Widewing on July 10, 2016, 02:02:22 PM
E-2s are notorious for the crew NOT getting out when it goes in the drink...

Like many of the fleet workhorse aircraft over the past 50 years (S-2, C-1, and C-2) there's only one to get out of an E-2 in an emergency... Climb out after the crash. 

The jet jocks often razz the aircrews of those birds, but they really have great respect for them knowing if the pooh hits the fan, they have to ride through the entire turd....

I wondered after seeing this video how hard it would be for the EWOs in back to get out. 

Those guys have guts.
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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2016, 06:55:44 PM »
Quote from: Widewing on July 10, 2016, 02:02:22 PM
E-2s are notorious for the crew NOT getting out when it goes in the drink...

Like many of the fleet workhorse aircraft over the past 50 years (S-2, C-1, and C-2) there's only one to get out of an E-2 in an emergency... Climb out after the crash. 

The jet jocks often razz the aircrews of those birds, but they really have great respect for them knowing if the pooh hits the fan, they have to ride through the entire turd....

Having done the dunker... I would not be as brave in the aircraft as I am if it weren't for that seat... It takes real balls to sit in one of those. Front seat evacuation is bad enough. I would be dropping bricks in the back on every landing.

Oh, and to add to the whole AOA thing, we don't have a broken wire checklist, but we have Settling Off the Catapult, which I would use as the same thing. Our checklist goes:

1. THROTTLE: Check Full Forward
2. MAINTAIN 24 units AOA (This is the significant part to the E-2, as he has a specific number to fly for to survive)

If settle not stopped:

3. Eject.
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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2016, 09:32:20 PM »
The real nutjobs flew the EA-3D Electric Whale.

Like A-3D (All 3 Dead), it was not equipped with ejection seats. Whenever an Electric Whale came aboard I would be in awe of the guys who flew and crewed it...

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Re: Amazing flying skill
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2016, 09:42:03 PM »
Quote from: Widewing on July 11, 2016, 09:32:20 PM
The real nutjobs flew the EA-3D Electric Whale.

Like A-3D (All 3 Dead), it was not equipped with ejection seats. Whenever an Electric Whale came aboard I would be in awe of the guys who flew and crewed it...

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Why in god's name didn't they put seats on that?!

I get it with Helos and C-2s, you can't give pilots a seat if passengers don't get one. But in a small crew, high risk aircraft like that... just put the freaking seat in...
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