Author Topic: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)  (Read 21096 times)

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #90 on: July 28, 2016, 09:56:57 AM »
I agree with zoney as well....
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #91 on: July 28, 2016, 10:26:22 AM »
I realize that a lot of the conversation is about how do we increase participation in these events. Talking about how the 12hr event will draw players versus the four 3 hr frames. I don't have the answer to that except there will always be those that it appeals to and those that it doesn't.

The bottom line is that customers were given a vote and regardless of the length of time that the votes were cast, 12 hrs won.

Now it would seem to me that the customers, both those who voted for it and those that did not, need to determine how they can participate in the scenario to maximize their enjoyment. That could be flying till you drop for 12 hrs or getting together with some friends to up for a few hours. Either way the 12 hr format does allow for access to the scenario for many more players over a wider range of time zones.

Also if we the players get the word out to our friends, especially the FSO crowd, maybe some who have never tried this will and that can only help.

I like the 12 hr idea but I also enjoy the traditional 4 frames 3 hrs per. They each have pros and cons. I would like to emphasize the pros.

We are a shrinking player base, that's the reality. Until AH3 goes mainstream I believe that these numbers are all we are going to get. Lets make the most out of it and design a scenario that will draw from what we have left.
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #92 on: July 28, 2016, 01:01:33 PM »
Actually, Scenarios draw the same (or larger) percentage of MA participation as before.  In the days of 600 players in the MA on Saturdays, we were getting about 175 per frame in Scenarios (or about 30%).  When I looked at it during Dnieper, we had a little less than 200 in the MA, and we got 75 in the scenario (or about 38%).

We can perhaps boost that percentage even higher by getting more squads, though -- so we might as well work on that.

Can someone message me a list of squad CO's BB ID's?

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #93 on: July 28, 2016, 01:08:49 PM »
Maybe I'm a dinosaur

Nope, as you've seen posted, there are several of us who like multiple frames.  Also, keep in mind that the 4-frame format had lots of votes along with you.

And the Scenario after this one will be 4-frame.

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  The 12hr event should its own separate event and be in addition to a standard scenario not instead of.

There are other folks who would like that as well.  It's certainly not impossible.

But, for now, for this Scenario, the format and theme of battle were put up to a vote and chosen, and now we are on to elements of the specific design, recruiting, finding CO's, etc.  If we can focus energies on that, things will go faster.

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #94 on: July 28, 2016, 01:12:57 PM »
I'm not sure where the current negativity regarding the 12 hour set up came from.  I recall very clearly that those that participated enjoyed it thoroughly, because they said they did.  Frankly I do not remember one person that said anything like, "It would have been better to be 3 hours each, 4 consecutive Saturday's".

It was the most fun I have ever had in Aces High and that includes FSO's which are near and dear to me and I always have a whole lot of fun on Friday's.

I must assume the 12 hour negativity is from players that did not actually play in it.  Maybe they didn't play because they were just so sure they wouldn't like it, never tried it, and are stuck with their original negative opinion because they don't want to be wrong.

I agree with you here about how fun and challenging the 12 hour scenario was. The 12 hour scenario also has the added benefit of excluding no player based solely on their time of day (except Aussies  :neener:) and with the declining player base this is very important.

But I also agree with most of the critics of the 12 hour format. Those who like the long term camaraderie built within their squad and command team lose that aspect of the scenario. While I never thought of that aspect as being important before Target for Today, I did feel that it was sorely missed once it was over. Players who enjoy getting into the history of a particular campaign lose their ability to experience the grind of day-to-day operations. Those who enjoy the grand strategy aspect lose the ability to assess the past frame, confer with squad leaders, make adjustments, and draw up a new plan. Much of what makes a scenario different from other events is lost with a single frame event, regardless of length.

Target for Today proved that a 12 hour scenario is a viable tool for scenario designers, but I think it's use should be tied to a specific vision for the event. I believe that Brooke made a mistake in having both the basic setup and format up for popular vote. Now Brooke is forced to shoehorn a setup into a format which it does not necessarily fit. In my opinion, the 12 hour scenario should be reserved for representing a specific day from WW2: Alder Tag, Operation Cerberus, D-Day, Marianas Turkeyshoot, etc. By doing so, a 12 hour scenario can better connect with the players who enjoy the history by focusing on these pivotal days and leaving the multiple frame events to cover the flow of a campaign.

Of course, scenarios would probably benefit greatly from incorporating both into a setup.  I can't see a situation where the scoring that works for a 12 hour event not being adequate for shorter frames as well. The pros and cons for each format don't contradict each other and a mixed format maintains all the traditional qualities while being accessible to a broader player base.

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #95 on: July 28, 2016, 01:15:02 PM »

Can someone message me a list of squad CO's BB ID's?

Can't help you with that list but an alternate route if you haven't thought of it is to illicit the help of someone on the command staff of one of the FSO squads.  From the AH Event sites they have the ability to email all other command staff members (at least they use to I am out of the loop a bit).  Maybe somebody could relay a message for you.  At least you know the FSO squads will be interested in events.  The MA squads I think someone will just have to do the leg work.  Catch me for the next event when it is a real scenario and at 7pm and I'll give ya hand.  :)
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #96 on: July 28, 2016, 01:20:28 PM »
I agree with you here about how fun and challenging the 12 hour scenario was. The 12 hour scenario also has the added benefit of excluding no player based solely on their time of day (except Aussies  :neener:) and with the declining player base this is very important.

But I also agree with most of the critics of the 12 hour format. Those who like the long term camaraderie built within their squad and command team lose that aspect of the scenario. While I never thought of that aspect as being important before Target for Today, I did feel that it was sorely missed once it was over. Players who enjoy getting into the history of a particular campaign lose their ability to experience the grind of day-to-day operations. Those who enjoy the grand strategy aspect lose the ability to assess the past frame, confer with squad leaders, make adjustments, and draw up a new plan. Much of what makes a scenario different from other events is lost with a single frame event, regardless of length.

Target for Today proved that a 12 hour scenario is a viable tool for scenario designers, but I think it's use should be tied to a specific vision for the event. I believe that Brooke made a mistake in having both the basic setup and format up for popular vote. Now Brooke is forced to shoehorn a setup into a format which it does not necessarily fit. In my opinion, the 12 hour scenario should be reserved for representing a specific day from WW2: Alder Tag, Operation Cerberus, D-Day, Marianas Turkeyshoot, etc. By doing so, a 12 hour scenario can better connect with the players who enjoy the history by focusing on these pivotal days and leaving the multiple frame events to cover the flow of a campaign.

Of course, scenarios would probably benefit greatly from incorporating both into a setup.  I can't see a situation where the scoring that works for a 12 hour event not being adequate for shorter frames as well. The pros and cons for each format don't contradict each other and a mixed format maintains all the traditional qualities while being accessible to a broader player base.

Very well said Devil.   :salute
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #97 on: July 28, 2016, 01:36:32 PM »
Very well said Devil.   :salute

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #98 on: July 28, 2016, 10:53:51 PM »
You taking the 31st FG in Spit V's?

If so count me in!

Since it doesn't appear that there will be RAF, I'll have to go with the 31st.  It will give me an excuse to learn more about that group :)

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #99 on: July 29, 2016, 12:32:52 AM »
Since it doesn't appear that there will be RAF, I'll have to go with the 31st.  It will give me an excuse to learn more about that group :)


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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #100 on: July 29, 2016, 05:19:58 AM »
think I'll be going axis for this one Allied fighter choices are lacking.   
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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #101 on: July 29, 2016, 08:35:32 AM »
think I'll be going axis for this one Allied fighter choices are lacking.   

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #102 on: July 29, 2016, 08:57:33 AM »
think I'll be going axis for this one Allied fighter choices are lacking.
that would make me happy..... And I bet devil would be too

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #103 on: July 29, 2016, 02:25:32 PM »
When we try to balance aircraft it ruins the immersion for me.  I'd much rather have the aircraft that were operating in the given theater at that time.

If the planes that are available in the scenario don't match the aircraft that actually flew there chances of me attending the scenario are slim to none.

That's just my opinion.  I don't mind fighting uphill against the aircraft that were original to that actual time frame.  However substituting superior aircraft

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Re: Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)
« Reply #104 on: July 29, 2016, 04:06:43 PM »
When we try to balance aircraft it ruins the immersion for me.  I'd much rather have the aircraft that were operating in the given theater at that time.

If the planes that are available in the scenario don't match the aircraft that actually flew there chances of me attending the scenario are slim to none.

That's just my opinion.  I don't mind fighting uphill against the aircraft that were original to that actual time frame.  However substituting superior aircraft

"just because" is a deterrent for me.

Well the only substitution here is the F-8 for Attack A-5's, which I have argued against for many reasons.

All of the other aircraft presented in Brook's writeup are accurate and balance is achieved through managing the numbers of each plane and omitting those with a huge advantage or disadvantage. These numbers are still being debated.
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