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Offline Gman

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USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« on: August 02, 2016, 06:20:52 PM »
USS Thach, named after the creator of the "Thach Weave", was sunk in a sinkex at RIMPAC this year.  Over 5000lbs of explosive weapons were shot at her.  First a Harpoon, then a few SM2s in surface attack mode, some bombs, another Harpoon, and finally a torp shot.

Thach took 12 hours to finally sink.  Tough ships, those Perry class, of course, no fire due to no combustibles on board, and fire is what often kills ships, but still...I doubt a new "LCS Frigate" would take one SM2 much less all of that without going glubglub.


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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2016, 01:44:20 PM »
Well at least she died honorably rather than DD757 (Putnam)
that I speent 6 mos on  :salute
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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2016, 03:18:39 PM »
Wow, that hit on the bow was HUGE. I assume that was the torpedo?
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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2016, 05:11:46 PM »
I'm curious though if she could keep fighting after the first hit though. Surely, a well placed hit ASM could easily destroy the bridge and all the command. The ship might limp away but in a major naval engagement she might not have a chance.
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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2016, 01:06:06 AM »
Ya I think the takeaway is that that first Harpoon hit would have possibly ended combat ops - but maybe not, the tail/sonar may still have been working, as was the gun mount, maybe - who knows.  Certainly with combustables and a lot of fuel on board, fire becomes the big issue, and we don't have that here, but just to see these old Figs take SO, SO many hits and structurally float for 12 hours shows how much the DOD cared about protecting sailors.  Unlike now with the LCS, which if it takes ANY missile hit, even a dinky SM2SAM in anti ship mode, will blow apart like a car model with an m80 inside of it.  Booo.

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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2016, 07:13:52 PM »
You guys remember when the USS Stark was hit?
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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2016, 09:59:06 AM »
Yeah, the LCS has more issues than National Geographic has magazines. And it's upgrade is sounding even more ridiculous.

Stark - remember it well - though some are now saying a business jet was fitted with Exocet missiles which I find hard to believe - hard-points are difficult to retrofit including the weapon control system to be wired into the cockpit. Wings are also not designed to hold any external stores.  :old:
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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2016, 11:23:33 AM »
Yeah, the LCS has more issues than National Geographic has magazines. And it's upgrade is sounding even more ridiculous.

Stark - remember it well - though some are now saying a business jet was fitted with Exocet missiles which I find hard to believe - hard-points are difficult to retrofit including the weapon control system to be wired into the cockpit. Wings are also not designed to hold any external stores.  :old:

Considering how we use Learjets from contract companies for aerial work, it actually wouldn't surprise me much at all.

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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2016, 01:45:16 PM »
Yeah, the LCS has more issues than National Geographic has magazines. And it's upgrade is sounding even more ridiculous.

Stark - remember it well - though some are now saying a business jet was fitted with Exocet missiles which I find hard to believe - hard-points are difficult to retrofit including the weapon control system to be wired into the cockpit. Wings are also not designed to hold any external stores.  :old:

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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2016, 03:50:38 PM »
I don't want to get into conspiracy theories here, but let me weigh in the USS Liberty.  The most logical reason I have found for the Israelis to have attacked it is due to it compromising Israeli security.  How is this possible?  The Soviets were able to intercept and decode the encrypted information sent by the USS Liberty.  So in essence, it was giving away Israeli positions, albeit inadvertently. 
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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2016, 10:25:06 AM »
My best friend was pushed out of his rack by the first missile to hit the USS Stark. STG2 Steve Erwin was my shipmate. Only tincan sailors will understand that comment.

I'd really like to know the background of some of the forum expertwannabes........

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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2016, 11:48:37 AM »
My best friend was pushed out of his rack by the first missile to hit the USS Stark. STG2 Steve Erwin was my shipmate. Only tincan sailors will understand that comment.

I'd really like to know the background of some of the forum expertwannabes........

I would like to "understand that comment".

Please, would you kindly educate me and share what that means sir?

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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2016, 05:54:41 PM »
My best friend was pushed out of his rack by the first missile to hit the USS Stark. STG2 Steve Erwin was my shipmate. Only tincan sailors will understand that comment.

I'd really like to know the background of some of the forum expertwannabes........

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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2016, 02:00:14 AM »
USS Thach

Holy crap, what a tough ship!  Amazing to me!

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Re: USS Thach Rimpac 2016
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2016, 02:42:20 AM »
Looking at the Stark, and the other Perry class which hit a mine, I guess it shouldn't surprise that Thach took such a beating and kept floating.  Again, obviously no combustibles and especially munition/fuel on board which would cause a fire - and fire sank a lot of ships in the Falklands, the last time there was a real test of modern(ish) naval ships in combat.  However it was almost ridiculous what Thach absorbed - so many bombs, as well as SSM missiles, SM2 which have a dual role anti surface capability too, and then, most surprising, that torpedo hit, which has a warhead not much smaller than the Mk48.  Last Rimpac one of our Canadian subs took a Mk48 shot at a much, much larger ship, nearly 3x the displacement of Thach, and broke it in two, and it sink in minutes, it seemed like an eyeblink on the video, and both halves of the ship were under water. 

The primary criticism of the LCS program based on all the articles I've read isn't armament, which is still an issue and they have been adding a lot of firepower to try and do something about hits - it's been the ability to absorb damage that's been criticized the most.  It has the lowest grade in hull/defensive rating.  Not even do they reach level 1, where as the Perry class were  OPNAVINST 9070.1 Level II standard.  Also, the Perry class had many times the number of crew to help with damage control, there could be as few as 50 sailors on an LCS, and really a max of just under 1000  if they have an aviation and full special mission crew loadout -not a lot of bodies to work damage control.

That Level II standard is mighty impressive IMO.  Perry class - Very.Tough.Ship.