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Offline Hungry

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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #135 on: August 12, 2016, 01:01:23 PM »
Chess Piece Loyalty huh

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and on and on and everyone has them, its not fashionable in here only because a certain part of the vocal minority doesn't want it because it affects their game play.  Chess Piece Loyalty would seem even good for a new player, it would give them something to be a part of
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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #136 on: August 12, 2016, 01:03:35 PM »
Chess Piece Loyalty huh

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and on and on and everyone has them


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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #137 on: August 12, 2016, 01:31:37 PM »

and on and on and everyone has them, its not fashionable in here only because a certain part of the vocal minority doesn't want it because it affects their game play.  Chess Piece Loyalty would seem even good for a new player, it would give them something to be a part of

When you play chess, do you only play black or white?
If you play pickup football, do you only play shirts or skins?

The game should be more like a game of pickup football than a real war.  But it's not, because of this attitude.  Less fun for everybody because you're either stuck in a green horde rolling over everything, or your side is getting horded and you're stuck trying to stem the tide.

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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #138 on: August 12, 2016, 01:58:56 PM »
Chess Piece Loyalty would seem even good for a new player, it would give them something to be a part of


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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #139 on: August 12, 2016, 02:30:39 PM »
Most of these complaints seem to be from forum\community members who like playing the game solo. Understandably large scale imbalances in the game effect them first and more drastically than those who are loyal to a country\group and want to play the game as a group member. After POTW recently switched to rook trying to help balance the eny problem, a single constant held true.

The bish have a substantial group of players who log in around the same time during week days. This allows them to enjoy a localized evening of smacking down which ever country they pick on that evening. My experiences of the past few years with knights and now rooks, everyone appears to be waiting for someone else to create the fun so they can tag along. This bish group still has the energy level that has waned a bit in the other two countries which they use liberally to generate action favorable to their evening fun goals.

That group by being chess piece loyal is still having lots of fun by being a group. And eny is supposed to limit them if it's working correctly. Though I've seen that group logged in fighting the knights while the knights had eny limitations during the last 2 months. Respective of the time period at around 9pm pacific time.

So is this POST strictly about solo players at off peak hours and related ENY issues? Or solo players trashing groups of paying customers who like playing together as groups which tends to generate more fun for the group? By definition loyalty to a group will most of the time go hand in hand with loyalty to a territory that group defines itself by. Humans have an ingrained hard wired tendency to king, country, and brigade. If that could be changed, Hitech has had 15 years to do it up to the time of this POST.

I suspect ENY in AH2 can be adjusted just like the percentage of a town down for a white flag. You will have to ask Hitech if he wrote into the ENY code that given some minimum number of players in an arena it would turn itself off. From being on late at night with small numbers when it was in force, I suspect it doesn't have a minimum number disabling function. It does detect country player number imbalances.

So maybe you can ask Hitech if he would lower the ENY thresholds for the rest of AH2. And wishlist for AH3 a minimum arena population number shutoff. After all, AH2 is EoL while AH3 has years ahead in it's life cycle.



     

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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #140 on: August 12, 2016, 03:07:55 PM »


ENY may drive people away like you say, but so does fighting with half the people vs your bishop daily hordes. just about every single day the bishop have twice the people and going for the smallest team. if there were no eny, you guys would be doing that in uber rides.
The bish are very strong in the morning no question but in the evening not so much we lose most if not all of everything taken. The knight tend to be the strongest earlie evening and rooks are strongest late evening if you flew for more then one side for a period of time you would no this but because your rook only your blind to the true facts. each side has a time that it peaks and they are all differnt times of the day. i fly what ever country we as a squad are on we dont change often but we have flew all countries. and see how it works in full rotation.
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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #141 on: August 12, 2016, 04:00:09 PM »
Groups that change countries are again another dynamic in terms of generating activity energy if they are large enough. If several groups jump countries at the same time to the same country it destabilizes things for the whole arena. POTW is a large enough squad that on squad nights we tend to become a very large portion of our country. Respective to the current MA low numbers.

So here we are back to groups and their collective effect on the arena, versus the OP talking about how eny effects lone players during off peak hours.

If Hitech were to disable ENY until AH3 goes live, these same lone players would be back complaining to Hitech again. Essentially that he has to force the small number of off peak players to make themselves accessible to them with out being able to hide or run away. Other wise they represent an undefined existential threat to the spirit of the game by not willingly handing up their scalps. Or Hitech is a meeny and something else poignant like that for not caring.
 
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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #142 on: August 12, 2016, 04:55:54 PM »

So here we are back to groups and their collective effect on the arena, versus the OP talking about how eny effects lone players during off peak hours.

My original post was about how ENY affects me and a small group of players that play during the off peak hours.  It is not aimed at large squads or those that play when there are 200+ players online.  Last night there were 18 players in the game, even small changes to who logs on / off / changes sides with such a low player base can and does affect ENY.  Sure I can fly other planes, many of them much more capable than a P51D in the style of flying I like to do, however I do enjoy flying the 51D and I am finding a lot of the time I am ENY locked.  It is frustrating.

If Hitech were to disable ENY until AH3 goes live, these same lone players would be back complaining to Hitech again. Essentially that he has to force the small number of off peak players to make themselves accessible to them with out being able to hide or run away. Other wise they represent an undefined existential threat to the spirit of the game by not willingly handing up their scalps. Or Hitech is a meeny and something else poignant like that for not caring.

I am not sure I would complain if Hitech took ENY away.  As far as forcing players to not hide or run away - well I think that is a different issue that is affecting the community and not one that Hitech can control.  It is for the members of the community to fight rather than run and hide - it is after all a combat game.

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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #143 on: August 12, 2016, 04:57:25 PM »
I find myself being loyal to the green side, whichever one that may be at the time.

Long ago I started the chant, "if it's red, it's dead".
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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #144 on: August 12, 2016, 06:09:17 PM »
I think the late night people relative to the USA pacific time zone are having a bit of a rough time. Both ENY and low numbers is a hard row to hoe.  :salute
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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #145 on: August 12, 2016, 07:50:59 PM »
Bustr has brought a big can of correct.

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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #146 on: August 12, 2016, 09:48:25 PM »
I think the late night people relative to the USA pacific time zone are having a bit of a rough time. Both ENY and low numbers is a hard row to hoe.  :salute

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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #147 on: August 13, 2016, 07:03:34 AM »
I think the late night people relative to the USA pacific time zone are having a bit of a rough time. Both ENY and low numbers is a hard row to hoe.  :salute

God bless you for articulating it so accurately.   :salute
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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #148 on: August 13, 2016, 07:05:25 AM »
Bustr has brought a big can of correct.

+1

This is what Fess has been saying (me, too) for a long time. 

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Re: ENY ENY every time I FREAKIN FLY
« Reply #149 on: August 13, 2016, 07:06:36 AM »
Hoe the row.

I could make a joke or two using terms that rhyme with hoe but the thread would derail.   :rofl
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