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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2016, 09:33:17 PM »


Here is the connection I mentioned coming from the back of the mechanical choke.  The connection is at a right angle and coming from the circular thing.



Does anyone know if this is a vacuum connection?  The connection is right in the center of the frame next to the distributor cap almost directly behind that hose clamp.

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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2016, 09:39:00 PM »
Just to give yall an idea of what I'm working with overall.
















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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2016, 08:32:10 AM »


Here is the connection I mentioned coming from the back of the mechanical choke.  The connection is at a right angle and coming from the circular thing.

If that connects to the carb spacer plate, it's a EGR valve... most likely.



Does anyone know if this is a vacuum connection?  The connection is right in the center of the frame next to the distributor cap almost directly behind that hose clamp.

Can't make out how many connects on that vacuum valve, but appears to be the distributor vacuum valve.



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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2016, 09:38:31 AM »
Update.

On a whim I closed the choke. It took off like a scalded rat. I hit 75 mph in about 1/8 mile. I opened the choke and lost a ton of power.
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On a 4 barrel carb, do you know if the secondary's are opening properly, next time in the garage with the air cleaner off open it up and watch in the carb the secondary flap open, the old holly's I had sometimes had a vacuum operated secondary but also some had a mechanical secondary controlled by the linkage.  Sounds like by hitting the choke your feeding it more gas.  I know sounds to easy but you never know.
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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2016, 10:18:26 AM »
It's a 2 barrel.


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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2016, 10:33:05 AM »
It's a 2 barrel.


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Ahh just thinking lol couldn't tell by the picture, still sounds like its starving for gas though, plenty of fuel pressure to the carb from the pump?
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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2016, 10:37:47 AM »
Yeah. When you shut the air off with the choke it runs great. Maybe getting air from somewhere it's not supposed to?


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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2016, 11:26:02 AM »
Yeah. When you shut the air off with the choke it runs great. Maybe getting air from somewhere it's not supposed to?


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Yes the mixture doesn't seem right, have you had the carb apart recently? passageways are clean and open, float needle is allowing gas to flow?  on some carbs when its running you can see the gas spraying into the manifold when you look down the carb.
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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2016, 11:34:18 AM »
Just to give yall an idea of what I'm working with overall.


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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2016, 11:45:04 AM »
It's a brand new carb so I have not had it apart. As far as I can tell it is working like it should.


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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2016, 12:04:50 PM »
It's a brand new carb so I have not had it apart. As far as I can tell it is working like it should.


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Did you say that you made your own carb to manifold gasket?  Did you have the old one for a template, if you were to look at the bottom of the carb could you have covered up a port that should be open, is there a vacuum line that goes from the manifold to a modulator on the transmission, that would account for both issues?

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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2016, 01:10:35 PM »
The fact that the truck regains power when you close the choke tells me that you do have a vacuum leak. That is what you should focus on first. As long as you have a vacuum leak you will never get the mixture set properly.

Looking at the pic of the connection coming from the circular thing. I agree with xtrepid it looks like it is part of the EGR system. The second pic is hard to see but that does look like it is located in the intake port. I forgot what era you said the engine was from but if it's from the eighties there are several sub-systems associated with the smog system that can be causing you problems if they are not properly disabled.

A rig from the trucks generation would only have a vacuum line for the distributor advance, and pcv valve, if it had one. One of the great things about a truck from that era is the simplicity. Try to cap off and plug the stuff that's not being used .

I had a '68 short bed F100 in high school that I put a 390 in. It was scary quick from stop light to stop light, because of the 4:11 gears and the low gearing of the NP 435 trans. Unfortunately it topped out at about 80 mph because of the gearing and the fact that the truck is about as aerodynamic as a billboard.

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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2016, 06:10:47 PM »
You need to make sure the metal line going down to the transmission is transmitting vacuum to the vacuum modulator.

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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2016, 06:44:17 PM »
The vacuum valve next to the distributor is a thematic valve and is in the cooling system, it closes off or applies vacuum to components as engine temp goes up.  My guess it was for the hot air/ cold air doors that were in the stock air cleaner assembly, ignore it not your problem.

The EGR valve could be stuck slightly open and causing the concern[internal vacuum leak] Take it off and either make a block off plate and add new gasket for it , or take it off and blow trough the side without the pintel in it, if you can blow trough it it's either stuck open or leaking past the shaft.

 Me personally I would just make a block off plate for it and call it a day.

That truck running points or  duraspark ignition? Cant tell from the pics.

Cap looks kind of dirty and the inside might be worse. A timing light should be used to check timing, probably can rent one from autozone or someplace like that,  have to make sure the basics are ok to move on to the next step in daig.

A stretched timing chain will mess the running of the motor also,


As for the trans[dont know what you got]  but most likely there should be a vacuum line running down to a vacuum  modulator valve bolted to the case, make sure you have engine vacuum to it and it is not chewed up by some critter.


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Re: Any Shade Tree Mechanics Out There?
« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2016, 08:08:01 PM »
Ok some very interesting developments today. Ok one interesting one potentially very bad. Will post more in about an hour standby.


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