Author Topic: Tired of the cannons  (Read 2134 times)

Greg 'wmutt' Cook

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Tired of the cannons
« on: May 20, 2000, 09:34:00 PM »
I know I'm not saying anything that hasn't been beaten to a bloody plup here, but I find it just isn't any fun to play with all the cannon armed F4u-c's.  It seems like I log on, hop into a plane or tank get going well and then one of these things comes along and bam I'm dead.  It seems to be what kills me the most, and there isn't anything I can do about it.  I have refused to fly the thing cause I know how mad I get at being popped by it every time I fly or roll.  And I love the F4u-d.  So I'm stuck.  Don't want to leave, cause I like the game, But not having any fun with those things out there.  Anybody got an answer as to how to defeat the foul beast?

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Offline CavemanJ

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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2000, 09:59:00 PM »
I have come to believe there are a bunch of Torque wannabes out there who have chosen that mount because they see Torque consistently pulling off 7-10kills sortie after sortie after sortie.

Thank God they can't all fly like he does  

 

Aszurom

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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2000, 10:00:00 PM »
Perk it...  make people fly the Typhoon if they want to strafe tanks!

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Greg 'wmutt' Cook

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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2000, 10:11:00 PM »
Sorry, I wasn't meaning to say that I was going to leave because of the plane, I just wanna know how to beat it. So I can have more fun.  Although I do like the perk idea, It would make people a better pilot, ever try to land a Typhoon?  For the longest time I would get too slow on the approach, rev the engine and torque-roll into the ground.    Oh well, you die a few times and you learn.

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Offline leonid

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2000, 11:02:00 PM »
The things the F4u does well:
  • Rolls fast, thus scissors well.
  • High speed.
  • tough airframe, takes hits.
  • Not a bad turner - for US iron.
  • Good e-fighter with excellent zoom climb.
The things the F4u does not do well:
  • Worst 6-view among AH fighters.
  • Poor low speed handling.
  • Poor acceleration.
Given these conditions, the best course of action would be to force the F4u into a low energy state, then kill it at your choosing.  The problem is getting it into a low energy state.  If you are one on one with a F4u, then chances of doing that are fairly slim if the enemy pilot plays the e-fight right by translating altitude into speed into altitude.  Thus, it usually takes patience, and a little bit of distance before a F4u can be brought into a position where it can be dispatched.

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funked

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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2000, 11:23:00 PM »
Work on guns defense.  

Offline Citabria

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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2000, 11:23:00 PM »
f4u is easy meat,

but I guess I say this cuz im in the same squad as Torque  

I guess I should say knit and rook f4u's are ez meat  
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2000, 11:43:00 PM »
heheheh
Torque is easy meat when he dinnae have someone covering his vulching  

Couldna begin to tell ya the number of times I've had'im in me sights only to have a wing removed by something that almost seemed to warp in (look back it's 2.5k back, 2sec later I'm a fireball)

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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2000, 12:32:00 AM »
Leonid is right.

I love nothing more than comin up behind em, using there poor 6 view to my advantage.

Checked my Tour 3 stats and found that i dont really have a problem with the f4u-1c..

Tour 3
Wardog has 17 kills and has been killed 8 times in the P-51D against the F4U-1C.


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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2000, 01:53:00 AM »
Leonid is correct accept for one thing.  This only works if the 1-c pilot never gets even one lucky shot opportunity, which leads to the real point of the question, and the only true answer.... don't get shot by one.  I have never escaped after being shot even once by a 1-c, regardless of the plane I was flying.  This is the only plane this has happened against, having taken hits from an opponent but surviving long enough to turn the tables and kill him against virtually any other plane.  I have downed several 1-c's if I started out with the alt/E advantage, and I totally agree with Leonid and others.  As long as you don't fight the hawg pilot's fight, they can be defeated.  But if even the smallest of snapshot opportunities opens up for your foe, kiss it goodbye.  The overmodeled cannons, not the plane, are the reason for the 1-c's dominance.  And, yes, I have said it many times before, Torque and a VERY FEW others know how to fly the hawg quite effectively,... all vulching comments aside.  I have seen, and been victim of, this smart flying.... dive, engage, extend, climb, return, dive, engage, extend, climb... etc... very smart for a hawg pilot. I on the other hand am only a decent (or not so decent) hawg pilot, and I still can almost guarantee at least a couple of kills in every sortie on the rare occasions that I decide to fly it, simply because I am almost assured to get a shot opportunity on one or two hapless souls before I waste all my E, and those guys are guaranteed toast, a la super cannons.  This is where most people who are upset about the c-hawg get frustrated... a crappy pilot that can't kill much of anything otherwise jumps in to a c-hawg and instantly becomes lethal.  And I also question a 1-c going on a tank killing spree (3 in a row the other afternoon).  I didn't realize the Hispanos used depleted uranium rounds.    If I were a gambling man, I would stake a pretty big sum on the bet that the 1-D flown a comparable amount of hours would not have anywhere near the killing efficiency as the 1-c, removing the "superior pilots/superior plane" argument except in a very few cases.  OK, I will quit mercilessly kicking the dead horse already... but just couldn't resist one more shot of common sense.    
 

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Greg 'wmutt' Cook

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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2000, 02:10:00 AM »
 
Quote
Originally posted by funked:
Work on guns defense.    

And ummm... at the risk of sounding dumb, what does that mean in english?



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Offline Hristo

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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2000, 02:31:00 AM »
Just try cannon Hog in iconless arena and you will see the difference. In short, NO MORE  

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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2000, 02:48:00 AM »
Greg, I mean come to training with me sometime and I'll show you some moves that most Hog drivers can't match.  I get killed by a Hog about 5-6 times per tour while flying fighters, but those are mostly unobserved bounces.  If you see them you can almost always make them miss with the proper technique.

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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2000, 04:43:00 AM »
WD I got ya beat!

tour 3:
Citabria has 29 kills and has been killed 3 times in the P-38L against the F4U-1C.


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they go splat nicely
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2000, 08:00:00 AM »
Hey there squadie, if you want i can set up a H2H or something in the training arena? We can look at some methods in beating the F4Uc1. Once you get past the Merge its jsut a matter of good tactics and ACM. I'll talk to you today in ICQ before squad time.

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