Tired of the cannons

[-lazs-]

Guys... This IS cannon aces we are playing.. Fix the fifties and things will work out.  I really find it funny that the people who squeak about cannon Hogs all fly cannon planes.

AH Corsair climbs poorly, accelerates lousy and has a laughable turn rate/radius.   Six view?   After WB it is downright panoramic.  

I find the climb and speed of the AH Hog pretty realistic but the turn is really odd for such a known good turner with such a low wing loading... Being outturned by LW planes and other high wingloaded ac is disconcerting to say the least.
lazs

[Westy]

When I'm in my 38 ands I see an F4U I drool.  

-Westy

[Yeager]

AcesHigh has one design behavior it forces on me.  If I dont have the initiative to begin with, I usually either have to run away or get waxxed.  It is very difficult to survive a burst of gunfire and turn tables.

In WBs, with the advanced gunnery, it is common to take a good solid burst of cannonfire and still be able to turn the table on the attacker.  The reason is the damage inflicted is not a sure thing.  Here in AH the damage is much, much more lethal and therefor cuts back, almost eliminates the ability to survive that first guns engagement.  Both situations have good and bad points.  In WBs you can go into a fight at a disadvantage and prevail if you are good or lucky enough, but it is frustrating when your the attacker.  In AH you will almost always loose if you present a guns solution which is frustrating because the majority of people will run rather than force a bad entrance into the fight.

The fact that a F4U-1C kills me or a Bf109-G10 makes little difference i m o.

Yeager

[Azrael]

 

Originally posted by -lazs-:
I really find it funny that the people who squeak about cannon Hogs all fly cannon planes.

Sniff sniff. The bait still smells funny.

What cannons do the B-17 and the B-26 have?

Az

[Pongo]

lazs...
Do you really think the 50s are porked...?
Sounds like your a voice in the wilderness on that one.

Torque.
The most anoying thing to me about torque was how dangerous he was when I was above him. I have since had opertunity to fly the 1c in a nose high attitude. Compared to the 190A8 the thing handles spectacualarly well at the point of stall. It just sits there with the nose still pointable and that 20mm battery ready to get a nice full plane shot burst at anyone unfortunate enough to think they(I) have them on the ropes...
Just another reason why the 1c(and prob the 1d) have to be fought a bit differently

Anyway several of the torque kills that didnt feel right to me( I thought he must have boosted E somehow) were probably just him stalling out 1k bellow me. But in the 1c that is enough..
It can be very frustating to be wondering where he is going to run too, KNOWING you have the fight under control. And then 1 ping dead...

[Fishu]

Those cannons are sort of powerful for allied planes (wonder why), so when you step into plane with machineguns, you will find lack of power, but actually thats just lack of accuracy.
You're so used to shoot down planes with spread & spray and couple hits that you've forgot one important factor of aerial war, marksmanship.

IMO. Accuracy isnt so big matter in Aces High if using cannons.

[Lephturn]

-Lazs-,

I love the .50's in AH.  They are quite nice, and I don't have any trouble killing with them.  Last tour I was 24-3 in the F4U-1D.  (Don't look at this tour, I'm in a bad slump.... yeah that's it.)    Since the latest version, I find the fifties work great.  The only cannon Hog I have trouble with is Torque's, and I'm just glad he's not killing me in that damn N1k1 anymore!  At least when he's in the Hog I have a chance. <G>



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[Vermillion]

If your bouncing a plane like the F4U (Or really any plane) with E advantage, and he is getting his nose up to get a shot at you, your doing at least 1 of 3 things wrong (usually 2 or 3 in conjunction).

• You attacking from too steep an angle
• Your not being patient enough to setup the bounce properly
• Your not stalking the aircraft long enough to determine if he is hiding any significant amounts of E.

Actually all three of these are part of the same thing, but you get the idea.

Personally, I find the N1K2 much more dangerous an opponent on the bounce, than the F4U.

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[funked]

Lazs is always a voice in the wilderness.  Didn't you guys see him in "Deliverance"?

[weazel]

 Lazs is Ned Beatty? No wonder he likes the "hog",can you squeal for us Lazs?  

[Hangtime]

IMHO the .50's are about as good as we can expect, I guess. Certainly they remain the best I've seen in any sim. I still think they lack some historical punch in the snapshot.. but I've compensated. I don't knifefight for snapshot solutions any more. I work in for a deeper six solution, and generaly rely on low AOT soulutions for one burst kills.

The F4U-1c cannons definitly have the punch to kill with a short burst; so his angles game is a bit easier in the knifefights.. He just needs a breif crossing snapshot to kill or maime. And to lesser degrees; the same is true of all the cannon birds. I'm guessin this is as it should be. Beware the scissors with cannon birds! One tiny mistake; give him just one shot opportunity... and yer toast.

Truth be told. the hawgs don't bug me much.. every time I get tagged by one it's a lesson in SA refinement. I do, however; consider them a large threat and they remain on the top of my priorites list in clearing out a furball..

Hang

[Greg 'wmutt' Cook]

Thanks.  This thread has certianly been ... um well, enlightening    No, really, I have seen a lot of good stuff here, and you will be seeing me in the TA a fair bit, learning to fly my trusty 1D and overcoming my 'cannon envy'.
 
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[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by weazel:
Lazs is Ned Beatty? No wonder he likes the "hog",can you squeal for us Lazs?  

C'mon Weaz!  Never  judge a book by its cover!

Doh!

 

[-lazs-]

Yeager, i think you hit it on the head about engagements in AH.   I also think that the .50's are the best (most leathal) of any sim but.... They lack punch in the snapshot.

  Lep, if you fly in a manner that doesn't make use of snapshots then the fifties are fine.  Work your self into good position and A good solid burst allmost allways ends the fight.  I suppose that I still like to knifefight and take a lot of snapshots with the fifties planes... Get a lot of sists.

I don't fly the Hog much.  The 1D turns so badly (worse even than the C)that it's other weaknesses are hard/not worth the effort to overcome.  when I see an enemey AH plane above me, the one I worry the least about is the 1C Hog.

Who says LW sis.. er , Guys have no sense of humor?   Wait till they start on the fart jokes.... you'll crack up!

I was much younger in that picture.
lazs

[This message has been edited by -lazs- (edited 05-22-2000).]

[Kieren]

The one plane that absolutely terrifies me when it is above is the 1C. The smart Hawg pilot will get a shot on you from there eventually, and you will die.