Tired of the cannons

[-lazs-]

kieren... the Hog is less frightening because it is by far the least manueverable plane in the game.   It also climbs so slowly that most smart Hog pilots won't come down for you in any kind of a crowd.   If they do you can dodge em.
lazs

[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by -lazs-:
kieren... the Hog is less frightening because it is by far the least manueverable plane in the game.   It also climbs so slowly that most smart Hog pilots won't come down for you in any kind of a crowd.   If they do you can dodge em.
lazs

Least manueverable plane in the game?  Nonsense.  The Hog turns well with 190s, 109s, Typhoons, and even 38s.  I've won a number of tough turning fights against Nikis while flying the Hog.

I think the reason the Hog succeeds as much as it does is exactly BECAUSE people hold the same mistaken notion you do.  Its agility catches many off-guard, and all it takes is one snapshot with those insane guns to punish mistakes.

-- Todd/DMF

[-lazs-]

dmf.... I was making a shamless exageration and i appologize.... The Hog is not the least maneuverable plane in the game, it will squeak by the typhoon in turn radius.
lazs

[funked]

Hog turns much better than the 190 in my experience on both ends of the Hispano...  Talking minimum speed fight here.

The people that should be whining are us Typhoon drivers.    

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 05-23-2000).]

[MANDOBLE]

 

Originally posted by Pongo:
... you have the fight under control. And then 1 ping dead...

That is the main problem, you can do maneuvres that will put yourself into an absolute disadvantage situation with HogC knowing that you'll be able to put a "SINGLE" round on the enemy and he'll blew in parts. Flying 190, those "absurd" moves also can be done but:
1 - 99% of time you are not going to hit anything in that snapshot with the Mg151.
2 - If you hit anything(1 or 2 rounds), no or almost no damage will be done.
3 - Obviously, the "desperate" maneuver will put yourself in a no-way-to-survive situation.

Flying the HogC and doing the same "suicide" moves:
1 -  99% of the times you are going to score hits in that snapshot with the hispanos.
2 - 100% of the times you hit, your enemy will be disintegrated.
3 -  Obviously, the "desperate" maneuver will put yourself in a always-going-to-survive situation because your con is obliterated.

[MANDOBLE]

 

Originally posted by -lazs-:
Hog is less frightening because it is by far the least manueverable plane in the game.  

Did you ever fly the 190 or even 109G10?????
Handling of HogC is wonderful compared to 190 or G10.

[-lazs-]

mandoble.... The G10 will outturn the -1c or D.  In all cases except extreme low speed using full flaps the porcine 190
A8 will also outturn the corsair.   Another leathiality test using hangers shows that your perception about leathiality comparisons of HS and 151 rounds is wrong.
lazs

[Greg 'wmutt' Cook]

Well now thanks to some basic merge training, I find I'm not that scared of them now.  I was quite amased at an LA5 that flat outpreformed my mustang at 25K feet, but that was just good pilot stuff.  I'm getting better, thanks.

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Greg 'wmutt' Cook
332nd Flying Mongrels

[Sorrow[S=A]]

Hey Wmutt, were a small crew, who didya in at 25k?

BTW the thing that ticks me on F4u-c is EXACTLY what was mention in this thread. Your merging- he's 2k below your above and climbing (cause you know hes dangerous and want to avoid his loop). he snaps into a loop just before the merge and puts you onto his lift line. He fires as he passes through and you get a hit from 1k-800 yds away. his 1 ping is usually enough to smash you, damaging enough that you are now unable to fight against him. then you have to either try to climb right out of the fight or dive out and run from him.

In truth the reach of a hispano mated with the good zoom, roll and dive speed of a hog make it far more dangerous than a Nik. Nik is ONLY more dangerous if it is closer, slower and lower than the hog. And a Nik can't dive out and run away from you..

[StSanta]

lazs wrote:
 

A8 will also outturn the corsair. Another leathiality test using hangers shows that your perception about leathiality         comparisons of HS and 151 rounds is wrong.
lazs

Well, the thing with the Hispanos is that it has more to do with muzzle velocity/less lead than it has with lethality when it comes to snapshots. Someone also mentioned that the reason the Hog C is so lethal is that the guns fire from *between* the two guns - i.e more concentrated fire in a small area. Something akin to only firing two guns, but at twice the ROF. Not sure this is true, a joke or what.

When I get a snapshot in with my 190 (using 2*20mm, not 4*20mm), it is usually enough to damage the enemy, and sometimes enough to kill it. The thing is that with the Hog C, that snapshot is *so* much easier.



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StSanta
II/JG2

[-lazs-]

If there is not enough dispertion in the 4 cannon from the -1C then.... It is wrong and should be fixed.   If the complaint is that the HS rounds have a shorter time to target, better trajectory, better balistic coefiecient, or more kinetic energy then..... Tough.
lazs

[StSanta]

Oh yes, not arguing about the latter lazs - I am all for realism. Just trying to understand why the C is so much better at snapshots than the 190A8.



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StSanta
II/JG2

[Pongo]

The issue lazs is do the ballistic advantages of the HS add up to the difference we see in the game. Was that advantage what the people who flew it and against it observed.

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by funked:
Hog turns much better than the 190 in my experience on both ends of the Hispano...  Talking minimum speed fight here.

Funny, I always thought that F4u was *horrible* turner at slow speeds...

I guess this is again those allie side modelling problems..

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by -lazs-:
In all cases except extreme low speed using full flaps the porcine 190
A8 will also outturn the corsair.
lazs

LOL !  Maybe when YOU'RE flying the F4U !

Here's a thread  with Wells (thanks Wells) discussing turn rate and turn radius. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000443.html



[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 05-24-2000).]