Planes flipping during agressive defensive moves

[JunkyII]

That looks very much like AcesHigh updating the aircraft's position incorrectly. I would bet that the p51 pilot in reality rolled left and pushed the nose down causing one of those negative G rolls.

I agree with this...today in game I saw a similar thing happen...he did a split S but on my end it stuttered randomly to the point I saw his entire plane pointing vertical...ended with me colliding him because I thought he was going up instead of down...unfortunately, not filming at the time.

[Shuffler]

I agree with this...today in game I saw a similar thing happen...he did a split S but on my end it stuttered randomly to the point I saw his entire plane pointing vertical...ended with me colliding him because I thought he was going up instead of down...unfortunately, not filming at the time.

Word is that after the collision, Junky palmed his forehead and said, "Wow I could have had a V8".

[puller]

Word is that after the collision, Junky palmed his forehead and said, "Wow I could have had a V8".

 

[hitech]

Here is the event, and this is why I want ah films because I can extract data.
Max yaw Angle off the vel vector is 64.2 not as you say almost 90.


Time 3.98 TotalAOA=1.1 PitchAOA=-0.8 YawAOA=0.8 Speed=241.7 Alt=431
Time 4.03 TotalAOA=1.2 PitchAOA=-0.9 YawAOA=0.8 Speed=241.9 Alt=432
Time 4.07 TotalAOA=1.2 PitchAOA=-0.9 YawAOA=0.8 Speed=242.0 Alt=432
Time 4.10 TotalAOA=1.3 PitchAOA=-1.1 YawAOA=0.8 Speed=242.1 Alt=432
Time 4.15 TotalAOA=1.7 PitchAOA=-1.4 YawAOA=0.9 Speed=242.3 Alt=433
Time 4.18 TotalAOA=2.0 PitchAOA=-1.8 YawAOA=1.0 Speed=242.3 Alt=433
Time 4.23 TotalAOA=2.9 PitchAOA=-2.6 YawAOA=1.2 Speed=242.5 Alt=433
Time 4.28 TotalAOA=3.8 PitchAOA=-3.5 YawAOA=1.6 Speed=242.5 Alt=434
Time 4.30 TotalAOA=4.4 PitchAOA=-4.0 YawAOA=1.8 Speed=242.6 Alt=434
Time 4.35 TotalAOA=5.9 PitchAOA=-5.3 YawAOA=2.6 Speed=242.6 Alt=435
Time 4.38 TotalAOA=6.9 PitchAOA=-6.2 YawAOA=3.1 Speed=242.6 Alt=435
Time 4.44 TotalAOA=9.0 PitchAOA=-7.8 YawAOA=4.4 Speed=242.4 Alt=436
Time 4.46 TotalAOA=10.2 PitchAOA=-8.7 YawAOA=5.4 Speed=242.3 Alt=437
Time 4.50 TotalAOA=11.7 PitchAOA=-9.7 YawAOA=6.6 Speed=242.0 Alt=438
Time 4.55 TotalAOA=14.0 PitchAOA=-11.0 YawAOA=8.7 Speed=241.5 Alt=439
Time 4.58 TotalAOA=15.7 PitchAOA=-11.8 YawAOA=10.4 Speed=241.1 Alt=441
Time 4.63 TotalAOA=18.4 PitchAOA=-12.8 YawAOA=13.3 Speed=240.2 Alt=443
Time 4.66 TotalAOA=20.0 PitchAOA=-13.2 YawAOA=15.1 Speed=239.6 Alt=444
Time 4.70 TotalAOA=21.9 PitchAOA=-13.6 YawAOA=17.4 Speed=238.8 Alt=446
Time 4.75 TotalAOA=24.5 PitchAOA=-13.9 YawAOA=20.4 Speed=237.6 Alt=449
Time 4.79 TotalAOA=26.2 PitchAOA=-14.1 YawAOA=22.3 Speed=236.6 Alt=452
Time 4.84 TotalAOA=28.5 PitchAOA=-14.4 YawAOA=24.9 Speed=235.2 Alt=455
Time 4.87 TotalAOA=29.8 PitchAOA=-14.5 YawAOA=26.3 Speed=234.3 Alt=457
Time 4.90 TotalAOA=31.1 PitchAOA=-14.5 YawAOA=27.8 Speed=233.3 Alt=460
Time 4.95 TotalAOA=32.9 PitchAOA=-14.3 YawAOA=29.9 Speed=231.7 Alt=464
Time 4.98 TotalAOA=34.1 PitchAOA=-14.0 YawAOA=31.5 Speed=230.5 Alt=467
Time 5.03 TotalAOA=35.8 PitchAOA=-13.3 YawAOA=33.5 Speed=228.8 Alt=472
Time 5.07 TotalAOA=37.0 PitchAOA=-12.6 YawAOA=35.1 Speed=227.5 Alt=475
Time 5.10 TotalAOA=38.1 PitchAOA=-12.0 YawAOA=36.5 Speed=226.4 Alt=478
Time 5.15 TotalAOA=39.9 PitchAOA=-11.0 YawAOA=38.6 Speed=224.6 Alt=483
Time 5.18 TotalAOA=41.1 PitchAOA=-10.3 YawAOA=40.1 Speed=223.4 Alt=486
Time 5.23 TotalAOA=43.0 PitchAOA=-9.3 YawAOA=42.2 Speed=221.9 Alt=491
Time 5.27 TotalAOA=44.5 PitchAOA=-8.4 YawAOA=43.9 Speed=220.5 Alt=495
Time 5.30 TotalAOA=45.9 PitchAOA=-7.7 YawAOA=45.5 Speed=219.4 Alt=498
Time 5.35 TotalAOA=48.2 PitchAOA=-6.3 YawAOA=47.9 Speed=217.6 Alt=503
Time 5.38 TotalAOA=49.6 PitchAOA=-5.5 YawAOA=49.4 Speed=216.5 Alt=505
Time 5.44 TotalAOA=52.1 PitchAOA=-4.0 YawAOA=52.0 Speed=214.5 Alt=510
Time 5.46 TotalAOA=53.5 PitchAOA=-3.2 YawAOA=53.4 Speed=213.4 Alt=513
Time 5.50 TotalAOA=55.1 PitchAOA=-2.1 YawAOA=55.1 Speed=212.1 Alt=516
Time 5.55 TotalAOA=57.3 PitchAOA=-0.6 YawAOA=57.3 Speed=210.1 Alt=520
Time 5.58 TotalAOA=58.8 PitchAOA=0.5 YawAOA=58.8 Speed=208.7 Alt=523
Time 5.63 TotalAOA=60.7 PitchAOA=2.2 YawAOA=60.7 Speed=206.6 Alt=527
Time 5.67 TotalAOA=61.9 PitchAOA=3.4 YawAOA=61.9 Speed=205.0 Alt=529
Time 5.70 TotalAOA=62.8 PitchAOA=4.4 YawAOA=62.7 Speed=203.7 Alt=532
Time 5.75 TotalAOA=63.9 PitchAOA=6.2 YawAOA=63.8 Speed=201.3 Alt=536
Time 5.78 TotalAOA=64.3 PitchAOA=7.2 YawAOA=64.1 Speed=199.9 Alt=538
Time 5.84 TotalAOA=64.5 PitchAOA=9.2 YawAOA=64.2 Speed=197.4 Alt=542
Time 5.87 TotalAOA=64.3 PitchAOA=10.3 YawAOA=63.9 Speed=196.0 Alt=545
Time 5.90 TotalAOA=63.9 PitchAOA=11.4 YawAOA=63.3 Speed=194.5 Alt=547
Time 5.95 TotalAOA=62.6 PitchAOA=12.9 YawAOA=61.9 Speed=192.2 Alt=551
Time 5.99 TotalAOA=61.5 PitchAOA=13.6 YawAOA=60.6 Speed=190.7 Alt=554
Time 6.04 TotalAOA=59.3 PitchAOA=14.0 YawAOA=58.3 Speed=188.6 Alt=558
Time 6.07 TotalAOA=57.9 PitchAOA=13.8 YawAOA=56.8 Speed=187.5 Alt=560
Time 6.10 TotalAOA=56.2 PitchAOA=13.3 YawAOA=55.2 Speed=186.3 Alt=562
Time 6.15 TotalAOA=53.6 PitchAOA=11.8 YawAOA=52.8 Speed=184.7 Alt=566
Time 6.18 TotalAOA=52.3 PitchAOA=10.6 YawAOA=51.5 Speed=183.8 Alt=568
Time 6.24 TotalAOA=50.0 PitchAOA=8.2 YawAOA=49.5 Speed=182.4 Alt=572
Time 6.27 TotalAOA=48.9 PitchAOA=6.8 YawAOA=48.6 Speed=181.8 Alt=574
Time 6.30 TotalAOA=47.7 PitchAOA=5.1 YawAOA=47.5 Speed=181.1 Alt=576
Time 6.35 TotalAOA=45.9 PitchAOA=2.6 YawAOA=45.9 Speed=180.0 Alt=579
Time 6.38 TotalAOA=45.0 PitchAOA=1.4 YawAOA=45.0 Speed=179.5 Alt=581
Time 6.42 TotalAOA=43.7 PitchAOA=-0.0 YawAOA=43.8 Speed=178.9 Alt=583
Time 6.47 TotalAOA=41.9 PitchAOA=-1.7 YawAOA=41.9 Speed=178.0 Alt=585
Time 6.50 TotalAOA=40.7 PitchAOA=-2.4 YawAOA=40.6 Speed=177.5 Alt=587
Time 6.56 TotalAOA=38.1 PitchAOA=-3.6 YawAOA=38.0 Speed=176.7 Alt=590
Time 6.58 TotalAOA=36.7 PitchAOA=-3.8 YawAOA=36.5 Speed=176.4 Alt=591
Time 6.62 TotalAOA=34.6 PitchAOA=-4.1 YawAOA=34.4 Speed=176.0 Alt=593
Time 6.67 TotalAOA=31.7 PitchAOA=-4.1 YawAOA=31.5 Speed=175.5 Alt=595
Time 6.70 TotalAOA=29.0 PitchAOA=-3.8 YawAOA=28.8 Speed=175.2 Alt=596
Time 6.75 TotalAOA=25.2 PitchAOA=-3.1 YawAOA=25.0 Speed=174.8 Alt=598
Time 6.78 TotalAOA=22.4 PitchAOA=-2.5 YawAOA=22.3 Speed=174.7 Alt=600
Time 6.82 TotalAOA=19.1 PitchAOA=-1.7 YawAOA=19.0 Speed=174.6 Alt=601
Time 6.87 TotalAOA=14.0 PitchAOA=-0.5 YawAOA=14.0 Speed=174.5 Alt=602
Time 6.90 TotalAOA=10.6 PitchAOA=0.2 YawAOA=10.6 Speed=174.6 Alt=603
Time 6.95 TotalAOA=5.5 PitchAOA=1.4 YawAOA=5.3 Speed=174.8 Alt=605
Time 6.99 TotalAOA=2.8 PitchAOA=2.1 YawAOA=1.8 Speed=174.9 Alt=606
Time 7.02 TotalAOA=2.7 PitchAOA=2.6 YawAOA=-0.8 Speed=175.1 Alt=606
Time 7.07 TotalAOA=6.6 PitchAOA=3.4 YawAOA=-5.7 Speed=175.4 Alt=608
Time 7.10 TotalAOA=8.8 PitchAOA=3.6 YawAOA=-8.0 Speed=175.6 Alt=608




I really do not know what you expect but   scrubbing 65mph in 2 secs is a fairly rapped deceleration177.

That deceleration scrubbed about 53% of your energy in 2 secs.

HiTech

[hitech]

Rest of data do to size limitatios


Time 7.15 TotalAOA=12.1 PitchAOA=3.9 YawAOA=-11.5 Speed=175.7 Alt=610
Time 7.19 TotalAOA=14.0 PitchAOA=4.0 YawAOA=-13.4 Speed=175.7 Alt=610
Time 7.22 TotalAOA=15.7 PitchAOA=4.0 YawAOA=-15.2 Speed=175.8 Alt=611
Time 7.28 TotalAOA=18.2 PitchAOA=4.0 YawAOA=-17.8 Speed=175.8 Alt=612
Time 7.30 TotalAOA=19.0 PitchAOA=4.1 YawAOA=-18.6 Speed=175.8 Alt=613
Time 7.35 TotalAOA=20.6 PitchAOA=4.4 YawAOA=-20.2 Speed=175.8 Alt=614
Time 7.38 TotalAOA=21.4 PitchAOA=4.8 YawAOA=-20.9 Speed=175.8 Alt=615
Time 7.42 TotalAOA=22.2 PitchAOA=5.2 YawAOA=-21.6 Speed=175.7 Alt=615
Time 7.47 TotalAOA=23.2 PitchAOA=6.0 YawAOA=-22.5 Speed=175.6 Alt=616
Time 7.50 TotalAOA=23.8 PitchAOA=6.7 YawAOA=-22.9 Speed=175.5 Alt=617
Time 7.55 TotalAOA=24.4 PitchAOA=7.8 YawAOA=-23.2 Speed=175.4 Alt=618
Time 7.59 TotalAOA=24.7 PitchAOA=8.4 YawAOA=-23.3 Speed=175.3 Alt=619
Time 7.62 TotalAOA=24.9 PitchAOA=9.1 YawAOA=-23.3 Speed=175.2 Alt=619
Time 7.67 TotalAOA=25.1 PitchAOA=10.1 YawAOA=-23.1 Speed=175.0 Alt=620
Time 7.70 TotalAOA=25.0 PitchAOA=10.6 YawAOA=-22.8 Speed=174.9 Alt=621
Time 7.75 TotalAOA=24.6 PitchAOA=11.2 YawAOA=-22.1 Speed=174.7 Alt=621
Time 7.79 TotalAOA=24.2 PitchAOA=11.4 YawAOA=-21.5 Speed=174.6 Alt=622
Time 7.82 TotalAOA=23.5 PitchAOA=11.5 YawAOA=-20.7 Speed=174.5 Alt=623
Time 7.87 TotalAOA=22.3 PitchAOA=11.5 YawAOA=-19.3 Speed=174.3 Alt=623
Time 7.90 TotalAOA=21.4 PitchAOA=11.5 YawAOA=-18.3 Speed=174.2 Alt=624
Time 7.95 TotalAOA=19.6 PitchAOA=11.3 YawAOA=-16.2 Speed=174.1 Alt=625
Time 7.99 TotalAOA=18.3 PitchAOA=11.2 YawAOA=-14.6 Speed=174.1 Alt=625
Time 8.02 TotalAOA=17.0 PitchAOA=11.2 YawAOA=-13.0 Speed=174.1 Alt=625
Time 8.07 TotalAOA=15.0 PitchAOA=11.0 YawAOA=-10.3 Speed=174.1 Alt=626
Time 8.10 TotalAOA=13.7 PitchAOA=10.9 YawAOA=-8.3 Speed=174.1 Alt=627
Time 8.15 TotalAOA=12.0 PitchAOA=10.6 YawAOA=-5.7 Speed=174.2 Alt=627
Time 8.19 TotalAOA=10.9 PitchAOA=10.3 YawAOA=-3.7 Speed=174.4 Alt=627
Time 8.22 TotalAOA=10.3 PitchAOA=10.0 YawAOA=-2.4 Speed=174.5 Alt=628
Time 8.27 TotalAOA=9.4 PitchAOA=9.4 YawAOA=-0.2 Speed=174.8 Alt=628
Time 8.30 TotalAOA=9.1 PitchAOA=9.0 YawAOA=1.1 Speed=174.9 Alt=628
Time 8.35 TotalAOA=8.7 PitchAOA=8.3 YawAOA=2.7 Speed=175.2 Alt=628
Time 8.39 TotalAOA=8.5 PitchAOA=7.7 YawAOA=3.6 Speed=175.4 Alt=628
Time 8.42 TotalAOA=8.4 PitchAOA=7.2 YawAOA=4.3 Speed=175.6 Alt=628
Time 8.47 TotalAOA=8.1 PitchAOA=6.2 YawAOA=5.2 Speed=176.0 Alt=628
Time 8.51 TotalAOA=7.9 PitchAOA=5.6 YawAOA=5.6 Speed=176.2 Alt=628
Time 8.55 TotalAOA=7.4 PitchAOA=4.6 YawAOA=5.9 Speed=176.5 Alt=628
Time 8.59 TotalAOA=7.1 PitchAOA=3.9 YawAOA=5.9 Speed=176.7 Alt=627
Time 8.62 TotalAOA=6.6 PitchAOA=3.2 YawAOA=5.8 Speed=177.0 Alt=627
Time 8.67 TotalAOA=6.0 PitchAOA=2.3 YawAOA=5.5 Speed=177.4 Alt=626
Time 8.71 TotalAOA=5.5 PitchAOA=1.7 YawAOA=5.2 Speed=177.6 Alt=626
Time 8.75 TotalAOA=4.7 PitchAOA=1.0 YawAOA=4.6 Speed=178.0 Alt=625
Time 8.79 TotalAOA=4.2 PitchAOA=0.5 YawAOA=4.1 Speed=178.3 Alt=624
Time 8.82 TotalAOA=3.6 PitchAOA=0.1 YawAOA=3.6 Speed=178.6 Alt=623
Time 8.87 TotalAOA=2.7 PitchAOA=-0.4 YawAOA=2.7 Speed=179.0 Alt=622
Time 8.91 TotalAOA=2.1 PitchAOA=-0.6 YawAOA=2.0 Speed=179.3 Alt=622
Time 8.96 TotalAOA=1.4 PitchAOA=-0.9 YawAOA=1.0 Speed=179.8 Alt=621
Time 8.99 TotalAOA=1.0 PitchAOA=-1.0 YawAOA=0.4 Speed=180.1 Alt=620
Time 9.02 TotalAOA=1.0 PitchAOA=-1.0 YawAOA=-0.2 Speed=180.4 Alt=619
Time 9.07 TotalAOA=1.5 PitchAOA=-0.9 YawAOA=-1.2 Speed=180.8 Alt=618
Time 9.10 TotalAOA=1.9 PitchAOA=-0.7 YawAOA=-1.7 Speed=181.1 Alt=617
Time 9.15 TotalAOA=2.6 PitchAOA=-0.4 YawAOA=-2.5 Speed=181.6 Alt=615
Time 9.19 TotalAOA=3.0 PitchAOA=-0.2 YawAOA=-3.0 Speed=181.9 Alt=615
Time 9.22 TotalAOA=3.4 PitchAOA=0.1 YawAOA=-3.4 Speed=182.2 Alt=614
Time 9.27 TotalAOA=4.0 PitchAOA=0.5 YawAOA=-4.0 Speed=182.6 Alt=612
Time 9.30 TotalAOA=4.3 PitchAOA=0.8 YawAOA=-4.2 Speed=182.9 Alt=611
Time 9.35 TotalAOA=4.7 PitchAOA=1.2 YawAOA=-4.5 Speed=183.4 Alt=610
Time 9.39 TotalAOA=4.9 PitchAOA=1.5 YawAOA=-4.6 Speed=183.7 Alt=609
Time 9.42 TotalAOA=5.0 PitchAOA=1.8 YawAOA=-4.7 Speed=184.0 Alt=608
Time 9.47 TotalAOA=5.1 PitchAOA=2.1 YawAOA=-4.6 Speed=184.4 Alt=606
Time 9.50 TotalAOA=5.1 PitchAOA=2.3 YawAOA=-4.5 Speed=184.7 Alt=605
Time 9.54 TotalAOA=5.0 PitchAOA=2.4 YawAOA=-4.4 Speed=185.0 Alt=604
Time 9.59 TotalAOA=4.7 PitchAOA=2.5 YawAOA=-4.0 Speed=185.5 Alt=602
Time 9.62 TotalAOA=4.5 PitchAOA=2.5 YawAOA=-3.8 Speed=185.8 Alt=600
Time 9.67 TotalAOA=4.1 PitchAOA=2.5 YawAOA=-3.3 Speed=186.3 Alt=598
Time 9.71 TotalAOA=3.9 PitchAOA=2.5 YawAOA=-3.0 Speed=186.6 Alt=597
Time 9.74 TotalAOA=3.6 PitchAOA=2.4 YawAOA=-2.6 Speed=186.9 Alt=596
Time 9.79 TotalAOA=3.2 PitchAOA=2.4 YawAOA=-2.1 Speed=187.4 Alt=594
Time 9.82 TotalAOA=2.9 PitchAOA=2.3 YawAOA=-1.7 Speed=187.8 Alt=592
Time 9.88 TotalAOA=2.4 PitchAOA=2.1 YawAOA=-1.2 Speed=188.3 Alt=590
Time 9.90 TotalAOA=2.2 PitchAOA=2.0 YawAOA=-0.9 Speed=188.6 Alt=589
Time 9.94 TotalAOA=1.9 PitchAOA=1.8 YawAOA=-0.6 Speed=189.0 Alt=587
Time 9.99 TotalAOA=1.5 PitchAOA=1.5 YawAOA=-0.2 Speed=189.5 Alt=585
Time 10.02 TotalAOA=1.2 PitchAOA=1.2 YawAOA=0.1 Speed=189.9 Alt=583
Time 10.07 TotalAOA=0.9 PitchAOA=0.7 YawAOA=0.5 Speed=190.4 Alt=580
Time 10.10 TotalAOA=0.8 PitchAOA=0.4 YawAOA=0.7 Speed=190.7 Alt=579
Time 10.14 TotalAOA=1.0 PitchAOA=0.0 YawAOA=1.0 Speed=191.1 Alt=577
Time 10.19 TotalAOA=1.3 PitchAOA=-0.4 YawAOA=1.3 Speed=191.6 Alt=574
Time 10.22 TotalAOA=1.6 PitchAOA=-0.7 YawAOA=1.5 Speed=192.0 Alt=572
Time 10.28 TotalAOA=2.1 PitchAOA=-1.2 YawAOA=1.8 Speed=192.6 Alt=569
Time 10.31 TotalAOA=2.3 PitchAOA=-1.3 YawAOA=1.9 Speed=192.9 Alt=568
Time 10.34 TotalAOA=2.5 PitchAOA=-1.5 YawAOA=2.0 Speed=193.2 Alt=566
Time 10.39 TotalAOA=2.7 PitchAOA=-1.7 YawAOA=2.1 Speed=193.7 Alt=563
Time 10.42 TotalAOA=2.7 PitchAOA=-1.8 YawAOA=2.1 Speed=194.1 Alt=561
Time 10.47 TotalAOA=2.7 PitchAOA=-1.9 YawAOA=2.0 Speed=194.6 Alt=558
Time 10.51 TotalAOA=2.7 PitchAOA=-1.9 YawAOA=1.9 Speed=194.9 Alt=556
Time 10.54 TotalAOA=2.6 PitchAOA=-2.0 YawAOA=1.7 Speed=195.2 Alt=555
Time 10.59 TotalAOA=2.5 PitchAOA=-2.1 YawAOA=1.4 Speed=195.7 Alt=552
Time 10.62 TotalAOA=2.4 PitchAOA=-2.1 YawAOA=1.2 Speed=196.1 Alt=550
Time 10.67 TotalAOA=2.3 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=0.7 Speed=196.6 Alt=547
Time 10.71 TotalAOA=2.3 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=0.4 Speed=196.9 Alt=545
Time 10.74 TotalAOA=2.3 PitchAOA=-2.3 YawAOA=0.1 Speed=197.3 Alt=543
Time 10.79 TotalAOA=2.3 PitchAOA=-2.3 YawAOA=-0.3 Speed=197.8 Alt=541
Time 10.82 TotalAOA=2.3 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=-0.5 Speed=198.0 Alt=539
Time 10.87 TotalAOA=2.4 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=-0.9 Speed=198.5 Alt=536
Time 10.91 TotalAOA=2.5 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=-1.1 Speed=198.9 Alt=534
Time 10.94 TotalAOA=2.5 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=-1.3 Speed=199.2 Alt=533
Time 10.99 TotalAOA=2.6 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=-1.5 Speed=199.6 Alt=530
Time 11.02 TotalAOA=2.7 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=-1.5 Speed=199.9 Alt=528
Time 11.08 TotalAOA=2.7 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=-1.6 Speed=200.4 Alt=525
Time 11.11 TotalAOA=2.7 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=-1.6 Speed=200.7 Alt=524
Time 11.14 TotalAOA=2.7 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=-1.5 Speed=201.1 Alt=522
Time 11.19 TotalAOA=2.6 PitchAOA=-2.2 YawAOA=-1.3 Speed=201.5 Alt=519
Time 11.22 TotalAOA=2.6 PitchAOA=-2.3 YawAOA=-1.2 Speed=201.8 Alt=518
Time 11.28 TotalAOA=2.5 PitchAOA=-2.3 YawAOA=-0.9 Speed=202.3 Alt=515
Time 11.31 TotalAOA=2.5 PitchAOA=-2.4 YawAOA=-0.8 Speed=202.6 Alt=513

[Stampf]

...Bam.

[Dawger]

The starting altitude was 400ish, the ending altitude was 400ish...the "zoom" portion was doing the 90 nose high to 90 out from velocity vector to 60 nose low....most of which was planform to the wind.

Obviously in your world no problem...

Carry on...nothing to see here..FLS has said this is normal flight behavior.

Watching the film in slow motion the entry is at 230 at about 400 and the aircraft recovers at over 600 feet at 180. 50 mph loss going uphill. Assuming the Spitfire he is flying stalls at 85 MPH, it would require 7.3 G's to achieve an accelerated stall at 230 mph (Required to enter the snap roll) Stall speed equals 1 G stall speed times square root of the G. 230 is 2.7 times 85 which equals 7.3 G required to stall at an indicated speed of 230 mph.

So, what we have is the ability to rack on 7.3 G's, snap roll the aircraft uphill and recover after only losing about 20 % of the entry airspeed.

Putting aside the incredibly violent stresses on pilot and air frame during such a maneuver, there seems to be something a little fishy about the above math.

Of course, such things are nearly impossible to quantify. No one does such things in real life.

[FLS]

You don't need 7g, you only need one wing to exceed the stall AOA.

Note he didn't recover at 600 ft, he stabilized there and recovered to level flight around 440 ft.

[RufusLeaking]

Here is the event, and this is why I want ah films because I can extract data.
Max yaw Angle off the vel vector is 64.2 not as you say almost 90.

Cool look into the simulation. Yaw AOA? I am assuming that is essentially yaw.

I know roll is around the axis of motion, but I am curious if the plane in the data ever went inverted.

Assuming the Spitfire he is flying stalls at 85 MPH, it would require 7.3 G's to achieve an accelerated stall at 230 mph (Required to enter the snap roll) Stall speed equals 1 G stall speed times square root of the G. 230 is 2.7 times 85 which equals 7.3 G required to stall at an indicated speed of 230 mph.

I have never seen this equation. Is this airfoil specific?

[FLS]

...I have never seen this equation. Is this airfoil specific?

It's been posted in help and training a few times.  Knowing the stall speed at any g load let's you estimate the load factor at the stall at other speeds.

[Dobs]

240 to 175 in 2 secs =53% of my Energy?


And question on the numbers...you saying the yaw AOA is measured off the velocity vector?  Because once I get the aircraft moving its all relative at that point....

But this picture is taken from the film....Start, max deviation from flight path observed, and recovery...External, fixed camera view.  Sure looks 90ish to me...


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-kwhapBgCtYTl8tTjdXX1JubHc/view?usp=sharing

But bottom line, is thank you for the detailed replies and the fact that you care enough to answer the post(s). 

Now to work on refining my snap roll defense...

[FLS]

The velocity vector is the relative wind that defines AOA. The numbers posted show the actual angles. Your flight path wasn't straight so a fixed camera view and still picture creates an illusion. Turn trails on in film to see it better.

[Dawger]

You don't need 7g, you only need one wing to exceed the stall AOA.

Note he didn't recover at 600 ft, he stabilized there and recovered to level flight around 440 ft.

So how exactly do you stall a wing with a 1 G stall speed of 85 mph at 230 mph?

Please tell me. I would love to know.

And "recovery" from a stall is when you aint stalled no more and that happened above 600 feet.

I wait with bated breath.

[hitech]

So how exactly do you stall a wing with a 1 G stall speed of 85 mph at 230 mph?

Please tell me. I would love to know.

And "recovery" from a stall is when you aint stalled no more and that happened above 600 feet.

I wait with bated breath.

Side Slip /wing blanking/dihedral/change in wing profile realative to the wind.

HiTech

[Dawger]

Side Slip /wing blanking/dihedral/change in wing profile realative to the wind.

HiTech

So you are applying enough yaw force to move the longitudinal axis fast enough and far enough across the velocity vector to blank the wing enough to stall it at the tip?

The force required to do that at 230 mph is tremendous.

In reality, the airfoil needs to be close to its critical AOA before a rudder kick will stall it (a little up aileron will help on the side of the kick) and the speed needs to be low enough that the rudder kick doesn't knock the tail off.

Snap rolls are violent things, involving high G on the wing and large forces on the vertical stabilizer. You have to stall (or get very very close) the wing with back stick and induce the autorotation with rudder or it is just a high G barrel roll.

And this is where I will bow out.

There is no room for a point of view other than "it matches reality now" so no point in further discussion.

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