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Offline Rich46yo

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Different cards, same type
« on: October 01, 2016, 11:34:52 AM »
Im looking at GTX 1070 cards and see different makes. On one hand I see EVGA and on the other I see "Gigabyte" or even "GeForce". Is there a difference besides one brand over clocking and one brand not? Why do several makers make the same card? And which is best? Thanks. Also I currently have a GTX 780 and the power requirements appear the same, which means I dont have to upgrade from 750 wt's.

Kinda strange. Is the upgrade worth it? Thanks. Also this is an i7 at 3.07 .
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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2016, 11:37:26 AM »
Worth it.

Different manufacturers make different versions for marketing advantage, and profits. That's about it.
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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2016, 12:00:27 PM »
I dont think you will see an improvement over your 780.  I spend 350 to get a 970 over the 770 I had.  i saw no real improvement in ah3.

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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2016, 12:15:37 PM »
Yeah my concern here is "usable memory". How much vid GPU memory does the game actually use and is it worth it to buy another 3 gig that wont even be used.

I know enough to know a computer is a balanced tool and at some point the CPU becomes the weak link in the chain. Mine is what? A i7 950 at 3.07?? 4 years old at least. Probably older.

That money spent on the GPU could be aimed at 1/4 of a complete system 6 mos down the line.
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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2016, 12:27:28 PM »
Not an expert here, but I would expect a substantial improvement going from a GTX 780 to at GTX 1070.
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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2016, 12:56:14 PM »
The additional memory is useful when it comes to texture size and anti-aliasing depth. If Skuzzy says the most that the game will use is just 3G then there you go. Since, I play at higher resolutions and want the highest quality of texture that I can use, then I want more memory.

A 780 will probably have to have several detail items disabled in order to get anywhere near 60fps, but certainly cannot use environment mapping. A 1070 could probably have environment mapping turned on, at least the first notch or two.
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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2016, 03:59:21 PM »

Yes, exactly. I guess my main problem is whether to just upgrade the card or the entire box.

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The additional memory is useful when it comes to texture size and anti-aliasing depth. If Skuzzy says the most that the game will use is just 3G then there you go. Since, I play at higher resolutions and want the highest quality of texture that I can use, then I want more memory.

A 780 will probably have to have several detail items disabled in order to get anywhere near 60fps, but certainly cannot use environment mapping. A 1070 could probably have environment mapping turned on, at least the first notch or two.
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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2016, 04:25:29 PM »
IMO you're suffering sort of a first world problem. A GTX780 should give you a solid 60 FPS on a 1080p screen with the default settings or better most of the time. After all, it's still in top twenty of all gaming cards, current and past.

Of course, as has been said, if you're using a multi-monitor setup or 4k or VR you might need a more powerful and modern card.

As for the manufacturers, there's a couple of gaming card designer manufacturers, namely Nvidia and AMD. They design and build the reference cards, which then can be copied and modified within the design. Then there's the big manufacturers who build the cards under their own brands. That serves both risk management and ability to fill large demand bursts. In numbers there's not much difference between different brands, a GTX1070 performs about the same no matter who built it. Overclocking adds some, but at that level you won't notice the difference in your normal gaming.

The big issue is that the manufacturers have different quality standards. The cheapest ones may have a thinner circuit board and low quality capacitors. There's also big differences in cooling, the reference ones usually run hotter and make more noise. The most expensive variations may not be the best but the price might give some hints about quality. Efficiency in production can keep the prices down even for the best products so it pays to read comparison reviews about a certain model.

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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2016, 06:28:29 PM »
I have a MSI 780 card with MSI's overclocking on card set to "gaming mode", not maxed to 'overklocked mode' (because of fan noise)
With environmental mapping set to one stop from max and everything else on max I get 60fps in AH3 with Vsync on.

I have to disable Antialiasing because Instruments are too dark for some planes.

Edit: I also had to disable post-lightning, again because it made Instruments too dark.

A 970 is a better performing card, no doubt.
 

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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2016, 06:23:40 AM »
In a static setting, such as in the tower, the game will use about 1GB of video RAM with the resolution at 1920x1080 and everything maximized.

It will go up from there, depending on what is around.  Run into 30 different plane skins and it will eat video memory up pretty quickly.  Or a bunch of different objects (planes, vehicles, water, boats, puffy ack,....) will also chew up video RAM.

I would say 3GB of dedicated video RAM is a safe number which should handle every environment you can encounter in the game.  Of course, if your video card is eating up that much memory, it better be a very fast video card to be able to handle it.
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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2016, 08:56:27 AM »
I play on a 2560 x 1440 screen and am not about to change that. While I get neither a steady 59 fps, not in heavy combat, nor do I get 100% settings, I am relatively content with what I do get. I'd like to get better, I think I'll buy the card. $400 will not break the bank.

Amazing aint it. Who'd have thought 10 years ago an 8 gig V card with those kinda specs would be considered "middle of the road" and a 3 gig card "entry Level"?
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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2016, 01:07:24 PM »
I play on a 2560 x 1440 screen and am not about to change that. While I get neither a steady 59 fps, not in heavy combat, nor do I get 100% settings, I am relatively content with what I do get. I'd like to get better, I think I'll buy the card. $400 will not break the bank.

Amazing aint it. Who'd have thought 10 years ago an 8 gig V card with those kinda specs would be considered "middle of the road" and a 3 gig card "entry Level"?
For that resolution I understand your eagerness to change the card. I'd like to see how your 780 would perform compared with my Radeon HD 6970 @ 2560x1600. Currently I can get playable FPS, but they dropped vastly on the field where we had 45 Tu2's idling.

Amazing indeed, I recall for my first computer the builder shop persuaded me to get an Ati video card with a whopping 2 MB because they quite right assumed I'd be interested in gaming...

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Re: Different cards, same type
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2016, 02:56:17 PM »
I went ahead and ordered the card. An EVGA since Im familiar with them. Thanks for the imput.  :salute
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