Bomber Unfriendly Targets / ENY Issues

[1ijac]

On one hand, if you are the country resupplying your strat subtracting 30 minutes each trip, things look pretty good.  The flip side, it can be frustrating for the attacker to see his efforts wiped away so fast.  The change in the HQ requirements took away a lot of the disgruntlement which I think was a good thing.  The other night, my country's AAA strat was hit hard.  I was thankful of the 30 minute time, because I was the only one resupplying it.  Before, the 4 minute resupply time was so low that many just figured "why bother with resupply".  Let's look at some figures.  Strat buildings stay down for 3 hours when they are hit.  Let's take out of the equation the regeneration that occurs without resupply for simplicity and assume you are resupplying just after destruction.  At 4 minute resupply time, you would need 45 loads of resupply.  At 10 minute resupply time, you would need 18 loads of resupply.  At 15 minute resupply time, you would need 12 loads of resupply.  At 20 minute resupply time, you would need 9 loads of resupply.  At 30 minute resupply time, you need only 6 loads of resupply.  Maybe Hitech would be open to trying 10 or 15 minutes to see how each plays out. 

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[Chris79]

On one hand, if you are the country resupplying your strat subtracting 30 minutes each trip, things look pretty good.  The flip side, it can be frustrating for the attacker to see his efforts wiped away so fast.  The change in the HQ requirements took away a lot of the disgruntlement which I think was a good thing.  The other night, my country's AAA strat was hit hard.  I was thankful of the 30 minute time, because I was the only one resupplying it.  Before, the 4 minute resupply time was so low that many just figured "why bother with resupply".  Let's look at some figures.  Strat buildings stay down for 3 hours when they are hit.  Let's take out
of the equation the regeneration that occurs without resupply for simplicity and assume you are resupplying just after destruction.  At 4 minute resupply time, you would need 45 loads of resupply.  At 10 minute resupply time, you would need 18 loads of resupply.  At 15 minute resupply time, you would need 12 loads of resupply.  At 20 minute resupply time, you would need 9 loads of resupply.  At 30 minute resupply time, you need only 6 loads of resupply.  Maybe Hitech would be open to trying 10 or 15 minutes to see how each plays out. 

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Maybe just removing GV spawns near strats, and keeping them at least .75 sectors from the nearest airfield. FYI another player and my self brought a fresh hit AAA strat on Crater map from 32% to 100% before the attackers were scarcely out of the sector.

[Shuffler]

This could be fixed by removing the straits and keeping everyone in the fight.

[flyndung]

let me tell you why ENY will never work , it doesn't account for 1 thing ..SKILL and the ENY planes capabilities aren't that far apart from higher ENY planes to make that much difference. plus numbers of crappy equipment is basically RUSSIAN docutrine 

[Ack-Ack]

let me tell you why ENY will never work , it doesn't account for 1 thing ..SKILL

It's not supposed to account for skill nor should it be.

[flyndung]

It's not supposed to account for skill nor should it be.

but it makes alot of difference ENY doesn't hurt someone with skill. there's not enough performance gap in the planes for ENY to really matter

[DmonSlyr]

but it makes alot of difference ENY doesn't hurt someone with skill. there's not enough performance gap in the planes for ENY to really matter

I disagree. Even with Skill the planes do make a difference. Try fighting a F4F against a P51. Even the most skilled pilot in the gameis gonna have a hell of a time with this match up. The planes really do make a difference.
You are also aren't going to get a lot of skilled players in one area who know how to utilize the planes properly given the same amount of players on the oposition flying spit16s and La7s. It really does take a lot more skill to be successful in most older high eny games.

[flyndung]

I disagree. Even with Skill the planes do make a difference. Try fighting a F4F against a P51. Even the most skilled pilot in the gameis gonna have a hell of a time with this match up. The planes really do make a difference.
You are also aren't going to get a lot of skilled players in one area who know how to utilize the planes properly given the same amount of players on the oposition flying spit16s and La7s. It really does take a lot more skill to be successful in most older high eny games.

if that was true why do the people with the high ENY using lower quality planes usually win? also how high does the ENY have to be to get a F4F vs P51 match up?? if the F4F is the the best plane you can up you must really have alot of people , i would think

[caldera]

if that was true why do the people with the high ENY using lower quality planes usually win? also how high does the ENY have to be to get a F4F vs P51 match up?? if the F4F is the the best plane you can up you must really have alot of people , i would think

If the plane makes no difference, why are the 40 ENY planes used so little and the 5 ENY used so much?  Try flying just 40 ENY planes for a few months, so you can prove they are no different from what you usually fly.

[flyndung]

there are plenty of people that fly ENY 40 just fine. thats not the point i am making how many times are you forced to fly 40 ENY planes against someone, that is my point and if that's the best you can up then the  amount of people they have online will make up the difference in sheer numbers

[flyndung]

let me ask you this what would the numbers have to be for you to be force to up a ENY 40 plane as the best you can up.

[caldera]

there are plenty of people that fly ENY 40 just fine. thats not the point i am making how many times are you forced to fly 40 ENY planes against someone, that is my point and that's the best you can up the amount of people they have online will make up the difference in sheer numbers

So then the large groups numbers are countered by the small group's superior planes.  What is the problem?

[flyndung]

none ... ENY doesnt change the fact the large group will most likely win

[Zimme83]

A large Group with ENY 40 planes is still better than a large Group with ENY 5 planes. Its hard to stop a large horde but you can atleast up a decue or a Tempest and have some fun. Bouncing a bish horde with a LW monster, kill 5 of them and then running away, screaming like a girl, with 15 more chasing you is Always a pleasure.

[DmonSlyr]

I disagree.

Let's face the facts.

A higher eny plane takes longer to reach a higher alt.

A higher eny plane is slower

A higher eny plane is limited in acceleration most of the time

Givin these three discrepancies, the higher eny plane is a lot more difficult to be successful in.  A big group of high eny fighters F4F, P40, 109E, P39, with the same skills match up with planes like La7s, Spit16s, P51Ds, and 190Ds will not have a chance. I don't care who you are. Planes that cannot build the E advantage during a fight are at a critical disadvantage. Secondly, a group of high skilled high eny fighters would still have a hard time against an equal number of top performing planes with people who aren't as skilled. These planes really do make a difference. You can see it in people's statistics of the way they fly. Even a fight that is unbalanced, a great fighter in a low eny plane can destroy a group of high eny fighters because they simply cannot build up the E, gain alt as quickly, run away from trouble, or catch a faster plane. The bullets are typically weaker and the faster planes can accelerate more quickly inorder to escape the fight. It makes a huge difference.


The question there is, you think that a large group of high eny fighters is more damaging. It's not. You lose planes that do not have the necessary Ord to take down bases. You lose ability to control the fight. If you are met with an opposition of spit16s and La7s, you won't last long. I can guarantee it. I've seen it happen. What people don't realize is that the # discrepancy only effects the amount of players in the game. It doesn't necessarily mean that the base you are attacking with High Eny planes, won't be opposed by the same or more fighters with spit16s ans La7s.