Distant dot removal experiment = Unsuccessful

[Scca]

Wait, they switched it back to no dot, big dot, small dot, icon?!? I hope not.

Seems they did...  At least it's closer to what it was when Alpha went live.

[Chilli]

I don't know what they have now?  Seems I was premature    Back to the drawing board for me..... contrast, resolution, AA, monitor settings, SweetFx, new eyeglasses... HELL I tell you....... 

[Wiley]

I don't know what they have now?  Seems I was premature    Back to the drawing board for me..... contrast, resolution, AA, monitor settings, SweetFx, new eyeglasses... HELL I tell you....... 

Seeing eye wingman is my solution.

Wiley.

[Chilli]

Where's Waldo?  B24 at 5,000 feet distance?

[Lazerr]

I got to play a few sorties tonight, and the dots look really good in my opinion.

I personally would leave them as they sit in patch 6.   

[Chilli]

So..............  it's okay with you that a B24 is invisible at 5 k yards?  While, you can see a bunch of sandbags piled around a mound 2 to 3 k yds further away?  I mean to point these things out, because fore ONE, this CANNOT be representative of situation awareness of any sort.

I don't know why they were ever changed one way or the other, but my hopes would have been to benefit the product, not to squash complaints of seeing annoying dots.  What about the annoying red icons?  What's next, are we going to remove the base alert sound, the flashing icons, the aircraft silhouettes??  .... because those things really occur right?? 

Unless you guys are seeing something other than what I have pictured, I can't figure out this fixation on destruction of situation awareness in a flight combat game.    Sorry, but as it is this has turned into "Aces Where?"

[Lazerr]

So..............  it's okay with you that a B24 is invisible at 5 k yards?  While, you can see a bunch of sandbags piled around a mound 2 to 3 k yds further away?  I mean to point these things out, because fore ONE, this CANNOT be representative of situation awareness of any sort.

I don't know why they were ever changed one way or the other, but my hopes would have been to benefit the product, not to squash complaints of seeing annoying dots.  What about the annoying red icons?  What's next, are we going to remove the base alert sound, the flashing icons, the aircraft silhouettes??  .... because those things really occur right?? 

Unless you guys are seeing something other than what I have pictured, I can't figure out this fixation on destruction of situation awareness in a flight combat game.    Sorry, but as it is this has turned into "Aces Where?"

That looks nothing like my dots,  and i was also seeing bombers in formation.

Does AA mess with dots like it does with icons i wonder?

I know a lot of people have theirs off,  while i leave mine on.

[hitech]

Chilli was taking images off line which has a different fog range settings.

HiTech

[1stpar3]

Yes, he was. Its not quite that bad online. Lazer, i keep AA on also, never noticed a difference with dots. Like i stated,not as good as beta(which I loved) but better than pre patch 5. Seems a descent compromise. You still have a harder job to find cons out of icon range, but it isnt nearly as impossible as it was. For me anyway, i think I can live with this. Heck, I aint going any where, either way. So once again,just because I feel bad about what I said before....Sorry Hightech, for assuming you dont keep track of these threads. Thank You

[Chilli]

Having a real life crisis here, so I will be brief.  So, I gather that fog, is what is effecting the dot distance in this particular shot.  I tried an online film from the AvA but in filmviewer it showed it at night time.

Will try again thanks. 

[Dobs]

So this is what I see....



Posted while processing...sorry 1505 Central time..has a few minutes to go.

[Chilli]

The speck about midway of picture, and above the hills is a friendly aircraft just beyond the 6k icon range.

[Dobs]

6000 yards...18000 feet...3+ "miles".. WWII fighter sized aircraft.  Not unrealistic. Getting a tally is a bear in RL....usually pick up movement first.  Take that black dot and put him against those green trees....you won't see it though.

Things that are missing--size due to aspect/planform, sunglint, shadow on ground, all things which help you get tally's in RL.

Dobs

[Oldman731]

6000 yards...18000 feet...3+ "miles".. WWII fighter sized aircraft.  Not unrealistic. Getting a tally is a bear in RL....usually pick up movement first.  Take that black dot and put him against those green trees....you won't see it though.

Things that are missing--size due to aspect/planform, sunglint, shadow on ground, all things which help you get tally's in RL.

I agree with all of this.

- oldman

[Chilli]

Thank you Dobs.  I agree also.

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Things that are missing--size due to aspect/planform, sunglint, shadow on ground, all things which help you get tally's in RL.

Dobs

Basically, you have precisely described what IS missing.  So, not unlike the change in tracer size, and the fact this is a combat game, not MSFlight Simulator, shouldn't there be some kind of concession?  (and what we started with was much more appropriate in those terms).  The sudden appearance and disappearance of red label, just doesn't do it for me.