Canada puts tender notice out for it's new Navy ships...

[Mister Fork]

From CBC http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/frigate-replacement-competition-1.3812705
The federal cabinet has given the green light to release a long-anticipated request for proposals for an off-the-shelf warship design and combat systems. Pre-qualified defence companies are expected to receive their packages on Thursday and the government is anticipated to follow up with a technical briefing to explain the details to the public. The bidders have until April 27 to submit their plans to Irving Shipbuilding Inc., which was selected in 2015 as the prime contractor. The Halifax-based company is the federal government's go-to yard for combat ships under the National Shipbuilding Strategy.

Bidders include:

Alion-JJMA Corp. (U.S.).Tech and engineering
Lockheed Martin (U.S.). C&E + weapons like Alion-JJMA.
BAE Systems Surface Ships Ltd. (Britain). Their Global Combat Ship
DCNS (France). Their (new) BEHL class ships?
Fincantieri (Italy). - FREMM ships
Navantia (Spain). - their F series ships
Odense Maritime Technology (Denmark).  - I suspect interest in their Iver Huitfeldt-class frigate
ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (Germany). - their 200 class series

[pipz]

Dominance! 

[Serenity]

ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (Germany). - their 200 class series

Huh. I thought they just made elevators in Hawaii...

[DubiousKB]

Pipz, should we tell'em that we discovered a new way to extract maple syrup from the ocean? This is the real reason we need to protect our northern waters! 

[morfiend]

Mr Fork,

  You forgot to list the Beavertail Canoe Company!!!

  They still build our front line canoes and kayaks!  Their lastest prototype comes complete with a snowball launcher and our super secret snowballs!



   

[Copprhed]

They ain't so secret...we know what you keep them Huskies fer! Frank told us a long time ago!

[Ripsnort]

They ain't so secret...we know what you keep them Huskies fer! Frank told us a long time ago!

"He went to Canada to become a lumberjack and came back a huskie f$#$er!"

Yeap!

[DubiousKB]

"He went to Canada to become a lumberjack and came back a huskie f$#$er!"

Yeap!

Big girls need love too. 

[Ripsnort]

Big girls need love too. 

[eagl]

If they switch from F-35s to some more super hornets instead, they ought to save enough for an extra ship or three

Seriously, Canada isn't into the expeditionary power projection business, so they need a multi-role interceptor far more than they need a single engine front-aspect stealthy strike platform that can't carry half the missiles an F-18 can.  An F-18 with helmet mounted display, new AESA radar, IRST, and amraams on all pylons, is a hell of an air defense platform.  Not nearly as fast as a slick new-build F-15 with -229s, but when the russkies come over the pole they'll be cleaning off the wings as soon as they get to altitude anyhow, so may as well go for max loadout from the start.

IIRC, a superhornet can carry about 10 AMRAAMS.  USAF F-15s didn't come with the outboard missile pylons installed so they're limited to 8, however the latest F-15 offering has new air defense pylon options that will let it carry 12-14 IIRC.  Either new-build F-18s or F-15s for the same price as a JSF, the training transition is trivial/nonexistent, and existing supply chains still work.

If you're not invading anyone, don't need JSF.  Canada has already pulled out of current NATO/US led ops, seems to be a pretty strong indicator of where their defense needs are.

[pipz]

Pipz, should we tell'em that we discovered a new way to extract maple syrup from the ocean? This is the real reason we need to protect our northern waters! 

No doubt would send them into a panic eh!   

[BoilerDown]

If they switch from F-35s to some more super hornets instead, they ought to save enough for an extra ship or three

That's all the excuse anyone needs to go on a F-35 rant now-a-days in an unrelated thread?  How many skyscrapers can you afford by going with super hornets instead?  What about a renovation for a hockey arena?  How many neopanamax ships?  How many oil sands refineries?  Hot damn, just about anything can be an excuse to go on a F-35 rant!

[GScholz]

... so they need a multi-role interceptor far more than they need a single engine front-aspect stealthy strike platform that can't carry half the missiles an F-18 can.

...

IIRC, a superhornet can carry about 10 AMRAAMS.

Count 'em.

[Serenity]

That's all the excuse anyone needs to go on a F-35 rant now-a-days in an unrelated thread?  How many skyscrapers can you afford by going with super hornets instead?  What about a renovation for a hockey arena?  How many neopanamax ships?  How many oil sands refineries?  Hot damn, just about anything can be an excuse to go on a F-35 rant!

Actually, considering they're both part of the defense budget, this isn't entirely unrelated. I'd say it's a fair argument.

[morfiend]

That's all the excuse anyone needs to go on a F-35 rant now-a-days in an unrelated thread?  How many skyscrapers can you afford by going with super hornets instead?  What about a renovation for a hockey arena?  How many neopanamax ships?  How many oil sands refineries?  Hot damn, just about anything can be an excuse to go on a F-35 rant!

 I'm pretty sure Canada has decided to cancel buying the F35's!


   We just dont need them!   Now a few more kayaks or canoes,yes we could use them but some fancy plane that doesnt do anything except cost a lot we can do without.


  Besides our CF18's are already stealthy,look under at the phoney cockpit painted on them,designed to be stealthy and confuse....... 

  Also a single super secret snowball and the F35 will be down!