Variants of existing planes

[Krusty]

No, that's not a good standard to use as a baseline.

[Volron]

From what I've gathered, HiTech's ONLY requirement is that a vehicle is to have seen combat.  So if there is solid documentation for the 75mm, it's a good bet he'll add it in as an option.

[Krusty]

No, Volron. He's spoken about it before. Whether or not some of these have changed or shifted over time, there are three "general" requirements.

- Seen combat at LEAST in unit strength (no non-combat planes)
- No field-mods, only official versions (i.e. 6-gun P-38s and sticking guns out the back of an IL2 with no turret)
- No prototypes or experimental planes -- must have been an actual production variant officially used.

[oboe]

Curious, what does "seen combat" mean to you  (or more importantly, what does it mean to HTC)?

Does it mean scored a kill?  Traded fire with the enemy?  Or flew missions in a combat area would've be likely and expected?

I'm asking in particular cause I think the Meteor should fit the criteria, and I hope we get one eventually.  I think it would be interesting to see how the Meteor fares against the 262.  Someday.  I *think* the 262 would have the advantage, but not sure.

[Greebo]

The Meteor was in service in squadron strength well before the end of the war and saw combat shooting down V-2s and in ground attack sorties. Besides, HTC think its OK otherwise they wouldn't have put it in the list of aircraft in their last next plane player poll.

Compared to the 262 the Mk III was a fair bit slower and suffered badly from compressibility which caused it to snake at high speed. OTOH it had a much lower wing loading, dive brakes and a better gun package for fighter to fighter combat.  It would be faster than any prop plane and could probably turn with many of the faster ones.

[oboe]

It sounds like the last, great, late-War monster ride that HTC can include in the game?

4 20mms, bubble canopy for great visibility, 500 mph speed AND good turning?   Could be just the ticket for chasing down all the Yaks...

[FBKampfer]

Depends on HTC's views on what "combat" is. The He 162 would likely qualify, and be even faster than the 262, and carry 2 Mg 151/20's. Although with a relatively high wing loading, the 162 would have a much better thrust to weight ratio, meaning acceleration would actually be quite reasonable, even with the early turbojet.

[BuckShot]

From what I've gathered, HiTech's ONLY requirement is that a vehicle is to have seen combat.  So if there is solid documentation for the 75mm, it's a good bet he'll add it in as an option.

Agreed. I think krusty is afraid of what I'll do to his tank or plane with the 129 75mm melon chucker!

[save]

What I wanted with this thread is to create variants of existing plane types with little effort ie to get them into AH.

Let's take a FW190A9 for example:
Compared with the A8 - same gun package, 30mm longer airframe, better TS engine that increases it's speed, better climb, better armour (almost doubled) in front of  it's  oil cooler. same canopy as the F8 - more than 900 produced ! + the spin-off would be the Fw190F8-Fw190F9.

Removal of the machineguns on the A8-A9 R2 model with 30mm.

[Zimme83]

190D-12... 3x30mm and 2x 20mm....

[bustr]

Agreed. I think krusty is afraid of what I'll do to his tank or plane with the 129 75mm melon chucker!

All B3 delivered to the Eastern front were used. 30 were produced before production lines were stopped. They were utilized with the B2 from November 44 trickling out to the front in twos and  fives until all Hs129 units pulled out of the East at the end. As Hs129 groups were converting to Fw190 they were passed around to remaining Hs129 units across the front. One 7,5BK round would destroy any tank the Russians fielded. They were highly effective in some of the same ground attack rolls the B25H was and didn't focus entirely on tanks. A perk would solve the potency problem.

[Bruv119]

The Meteor was in service in squadron strength well before the end of the war and saw combat shooting down V-2s and in ground attack sorties. Besides, HTC think its OK otherwise they wouldn't have put it in the list of aircraft in their last next plane player poll.

Compared to the 262 the Mk III was a fair bit slower and suffered badly from compressibility which caused it to snake at high speed. OTOH it had a much lower wing loading, dive brakes and a better gun package for fighter to fighter combat.  It would be faster than any prop plane and could probably turn with many of the faster ones.

lets also add that it was an RAF decision to hold them back so the tech didn't get captured by nazis or ruskies.

This plane will bring much fun to late war and it will be fun to fight against  (unlike a 262 flown properly)   Perk it to heaven if needed, I wants one!   

[cobia38]

still waiting for the 4 x 20mm  2x .50 gun package for A-20 g 

[EagleDNY]

Depends on HTC's views on what "combat" is. The He 162 would likely qualify, and be even faster than the 262, and carry 2 Mg 151/20's. Although with a relatively high wing loading, the 162 would have a much better thrust to weight ratio, meaning acceleration would actually be quite reasonable, even with the early turbojet.

The 162 would qualify under the HTC rules, but would be useless as an MA ride.  The thing only had a 30 minute fuel range, at 2.0 burn that gives you 15 minutes before you are out of gas.   Only thing you could use it for would be base defense. 

[FBKampfer]

It did over 550 on the deck, and could climb over 4300fpm, with a correspondingly greater rate of acceleration. Endurance would limit it, yes, but you can clear a sector in 2.72 minutes. You'll have enough time for a few kills before rtb, even with a relatively long ingress.