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Offline cav58d

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Hi Guys,

As you may have seen in my joystick post, I am an old time AH player from the early 2000's that is looking to make a return.  Unfortunately, I haven't owned a PC desktop in nearly a decade and have no idea where to begin?  Help!?!?!

What am I looking for?  A dedicated gaming rig to run AH.  I'd like to meet the recommended system requirements without breaking the bank.  Ideally i'd like to spend no more then 1,200 for everything.  Computer, joystick, headset, monitor etc...Speaking of monitors...Are they required these days, or can I just plug into my tv?

For $1,200 or less can I buy a built computer, or is that budget going to require a home build?  I've never done that before either?

Appreciate any and all recommendations.

Thanks so much and can't wait to get back into AH!
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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2016, 12:21:57 PM »
Prebuilt is an option. http://www.digitalstorm.com/vanquish-5.asp Is a decent computer and the plus is they will build it, test it, and support it should you have any trouble (brother in law bought from them a few years ago and still uses it to fly).

Building it your self is an option that could save you a few hundred dollars off of the price of a prebuilt, but if you have trouble ( bad prats, weak parts die down the road, installed improperly, or poor compatablity) your on your own.

I use a 42 inch TV on an HDMI connection for my screen. Works great.

Joystick https://www.amazon.com/Hercules-2960706-Thrustmaster-T-16000M-Flight/dp/B001S0RTU0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478366410&sr=8-1&keywords=t16000m The T16000m is a twisty stick that comes with hal sensors (no pots to get dirty) and is very smooth. And the price is good.

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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2016, 12:24:26 PM »
Consider VR.

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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2016, 12:36:35 PM »
This is a good site to check out if you want to build your own; it includes various builds at a wide range of price points, and has a lot of info regarding hardware choices, etc, etc:  logicalincrements.com

I just built my own, you can see what I did here for about $600, but I used all my old peripherals, and already had an Operating System, SSD, and PSU:  http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,382567.0.html

Good luck, and welcome back!

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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2016, 12:44:26 PM »
Prebuilt is an option. http://www.digitalstorm.com/vanquish-5.asp Is a decent computer and the plus is they will build it, test it, and support it should you have any trouble (brother in law bought from them a few years ago and still uses it to fly).

Building it your self is an option that could save you a few hundred dollars off of the price of a prebuilt, but if you have trouble ( bad prats, weak parts die down the road, installed improperly, or poor compatablity) your on your own.

I use a 42 inch TV on an HDMI connection for my screen. Works great.

Joystick https://www.amazon.com/Hercules-2960706-Thrustmaster-T-16000M-Flight/dp/B001S0RTU0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478366410&sr=8-1&keywords=t16000m The T16000m is a twisty stick that comes with hal sensors (no pots to get dirty) and is very smooth. And the price is good.


I'm definitely more inclined to go pre-built route.  It's easier, has a warranty and should be ready to play out of the box.  In my limited research I have seen some good reviews on the digital storm.  Would the "good" version be sufficient?  Any upgrades you would make other then windows 7?  Is that critical?

The second reply mentioned looking into VR.  I'm not familiar.  Would that be like a VR headset for display?
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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2016, 12:54:03 PM »
VR is like sitting in the cockpit wearing goggles.   https://www.oculus.com/


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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2016, 01:00:04 PM »

I'm definitely more inclined to go pre-built route.  It's easier, has a warranty and should be ready to play out of the box.  In my limited research I have seen some good reviews on the digital storm.  Would the "good" version be sufficient?  Any upgrades you would make other then windows 7?  Is that critical?

The second reply mentioned looking into VR.  I'm not familiar.  Would that be like a VR headset for display?

The good version should play the game fine. Plus they are upgradable. Say in 6 months you decide you want a new video card it is nothing to buy one, pop out the old and pop in the new.

VR is virtual Reality. Yes it is pretty cool , but as you mentioned a budget, VR would be out of your range. The "good" version says it is capable to run VR, but I think a better video card would help there, plus you have to buy the VR setup as well adding another  $400-$600 to the budget.

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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2016, 01:26:11 PM »
Thanks for the info everyone.  Is anyone out there running the good version on AH3?  Are you happy?  Any upgrades you wish you made?

Also, is it worth it to add Windows 7?

Thanks!
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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2016, 03:34:15 PM »
Cav, I'm mostly happy with my 8 year old E8500, 8GB, Win7 system with an AMD HD 6970. However, based what I've read on these forums, I'd like to get a little better video card for the toughest situations.

The basics needed for a fluent AH3 experience: A processor running two cores @ 3+ GHz and a video card with 2 GB video ram. Intel for CPU and Nvidia for video card seem to be the best bang for the buck but AMD-AMD will work too.
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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2016, 10:38:28 PM »
Here's what I'd buy if I were buying a computer today -- total cost $770 (not including monitor):

From newegg.com, an nVidia GTX 1060 graphics card (Zotac, MSi, Gigabyte, eVGA, Asus are all good brands) -- $200

From superbiiz.com, the following computer system, which they build, test, ship, and give a 1-year warranty for (has i5-6400 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 1 TB HD, DVD+-RW, Windows 10) -- $550

http://www.superbiiz.com/systemdetailpopup.php?preid=&sysid=d56753032e13fcbea4adf561dc502f5f1c7ace5da97f50b19742e77069a0da2f&sysNum=SYS13453597&p=

Mid Tower Case NZXT SOURCE 210 No Power Supply ATX Mid Tower (Black)
Motherboard ASRock H170M PRO4S LGA1151/ Intel H170/ DDR4/ Quad CrossFireX/ SATA3&USB3.0/ M.2/ A&GbE/ MicroATX Motherboard
CPU    Intel Core i5-6400 Skylake Processor 2.7GHz 8.0GT/s 6MB LGA 1151 CPU, Retail
DDR4-2133 Memory    2 Kingston ValueRAM KVR21N15S8/4 DDR4-2133 4GB/512Mx64 CL15 Memory
Power Supply    1   Seasonic S12 II Bronze 520W 80Plus Power Supply
Hard Disk Drive    1 Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3 / SATA 6.0 GB/s 64MB Hard Drive (3.5 inch)
CD/DVD Optical Drive    1   LG Electronics GH24NSC0B 24X SATA Super-Multi DVD Internal Rewriter, Bulk
Operating System    1   Microsoft Windows 10 Home Operating System 64-bit English (1-Pack), OEM

I'd add a keyboard and mouse for about $20.

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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2016, 10:53:46 PM »
Thanks much Brooke!  Is this any more capable then the basic digital storm?  The DS is only $50 some odd bucks more and has a three year warranty.  Wondering if that's more bang for buck.
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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2016, 11:24:10 PM »
Thanks much Brooke!  Is this any more capable then the basic digital storm?  The DS is only $50 some odd bucks more and has a three year warranty.  Wondering if that's more bang for buck.

The above superbiiz system is better mainly as a result of a better graphics card -- the rest of the system is about the same.

If you take the Superbiiz system and make it an i5-6500 CPU and a GTX 1050 to be equivalent to the Digital Storm system, the price of the Superbiiz system would go down to $692.

You could also save money if you wanted to switch to a system with an i3 CPU.  That would probably be about as fast for AH (in fact, a higher clock speed i3 might be faster for AH than a lower clock speed i5 because AH might not care all that much about more than 2 cores).

If you wanted an i3 system, the following would cost $438 (+ $200 for the GTX 1060 graphics from newegg.com):

http://www.superbiiz.com/systemdetailpopup.php?preid=&sysid=9478596127fd8313259ea3df3819f73654552ee2db4727f65e99f52618d7cf71&sysNum=SYS13477074&p=

Mid Tower Case    1   NZXT SOURCE 210 No Power Supply ATX Mid Tower (Black)
Motherboard    1   ASRock H97M ANNIVERSARY LGA1150/ Intel H97/ DDR3/ SATA3&USB3.0/ A&GbE/ MicroATX Motherboard
CPU    1   Intel Core i3-4160 Haswell Processor 3.6GHz 5.0GT/s 3MB LGA 1150 CPU, Retail
DDR3-1600 Memory    2   Super Talent DDR3-1600 4GB 512Mx8 Value Memory
Power Supply    1   Seasonic S12 II Bronze 520W 80Plus Power Supply
Hard Disk Drive    1   Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200RPM SATA3/SATA 6.0 GB/s 64MB Hard Drive (3.5 inch)
CD/DVD Optical Drive    1   LG Electronics GH24NSC0B 24X SATA Super-Multi DVD Internal Rewriter, Bulk
Operating System    1   Microsoft Windows 10 Home Operating System 64-bit English (1-Pack), OEM


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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2016, 11:47:01 PM »
Your best option if you don't pick one of the above from Brooke, IMO is to get a "home built" system - this doesn't mean that you have to assemble it yourself, there are tons of companies out there which essentially let you pick all the components just as you would for a home build, but for an extra 50 to 75 dollars will assemble, test, and upload all the drivers/windows/etc and then ship it to you as a completed computer.  If you don't want to build it yourself, this is the best way to take advantage of lower prices, more selection/preference when it comes to specific hardware and/or brands, as well as have every component tested so it isn't dead on arrival.  This all said, either of those Brooke posted will suit your purpose here very well, and they are very competitive in the $ department, leaving you ample $ for other things such as you monitor and controller(s).

NCIX.com is a decent place to do this, however if you check your local area, there is typically a "gamer" shop or 3 around, just do a google search and a reddit search for that, or post what city you're in.  Check out pcpartpicker.com as well to see what others are building in your price range.

Regarding VR unless you want to pump your budget up, have that on the back burner for now.  Next would be the monitor you're going to use then instead - try and get a 144hz gaming LCD to take advantage of the higher FPS and visuals, you can find one in your budget range of $1200 with your PC and stick.  Of course you can play with a 60hz or a TV that has a good gaming capability just fine as well, personal pref here for sure, however ask any person that has gone to a 144hz LCD and they'll NEVER go back, there are many here which will repeat this.  I suppose you CAN get into VR in your price range, if you bump up to a 1070 card and get the Rift for 600$, you're pretty much at the limit of $1200 then with an i3 system as above, but you could find a very cheap used 1080p 24" for $100ish sort of thing  and be right there or close if you absolutely wanted to go the VR route.  Since you would be gaming in VR and not the LCD it's quality wouldn't be as important anyway.

Controller would be the next thing, decide if you're going to be happy with 1 stick for all solution, IE throttle, stick and twisty stick for the rudder - if so than the link already posted above for the TM stick will suit just fine, and you can upgrade later if you want in this department.

Bottom line is you can easily get back into the game now with your budget, and have a very good gaming PC which will not only last quite a while, but also give you the capability to play anything out there.  Just search around, read a lot of reviews and check out a lot of builds here and elsewhere, and take your time.  The good news is there aren't really a lot of "wrong" answers to your problem right now, lots of good CPU/GPU/hard drive/controller/monitor/etc options out there for this game at the moment. 
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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2016, 05:48:22 AM »
Cav, if you want to see the keyboard while playing, and want to look around without a joystick hat, concider using TrackIR, a much cheaper alternative to VR helmets, and work in most flightsims.
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Re: I want to return - Need a computer - Don't know where to begin???
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2016, 10:12:56 PM »

I'm definitely more inclined to go pre-built route.  It's easier, has a warranty and should be ready to play out of the box.  In my limited research I have seen some good reviews on the digital storm.  Would the "good" version be sufficient?  Any upgrades you would make other then windows 7?  Is that critical?

The second reply mentioned looking into VR.  I'm not familiar.  Would that be like a VR headset for display?

I have been lurking a little bit here - same situation as you Cav - been a long time since I have been playing and looking to maybe start up again in a limited scope-  looking at the DS system also- "good" version- not interested in building my own - and really like the extended warranty
questions I have
1. is it worth upgrading the video card right away? Or actually any immediate upgrades suggested - got about a 1000.00 max budget.
2. like the 42 inch tv option as a monitor - what minimums on specs needed for good graphics, ie. LED? refresh rates .. etc.. I am clueless about these things - been a long time since my floppy drive days... - weird thing about vr - I get motion sickness in most games - Air Warrior and Aces High were only - "motion" games I could play without getting ill, I am guessing that would be a problem for me still...
3. Headphones - mic - any standard basic setups recommended - ?
thanks for help

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