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Offline ONTOS

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Ki 84
« on: November 28, 2016, 03:40:37 PM »
 I wish, HT would  update the Ki 84 to it's top speed of 426 mph . This has been researched. 

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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2016, 04:09:41 PM »
I wish, HT would  update the Ki 84 to it's top speed of 426 mph . This has been researched.

Post your proof, and wiki doesn't cut it  :D

HTC has changed things before with documentation.

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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2016, 05:23:04 PM »
 I don't see why Wiki should not count, but Pilot Resources Aviation Resources post a top speed of 413 mph. The article said the plane was built to fly between 396mph to 423 mph, and speed was 413 mph.

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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2016, 05:55:18 PM »
I don't see why Wiki should not count, but Pilot Resources Aviation Resources post a top speed of 413 mph. The article said the plane was built to fly between 396mph to 423 mph, and speed was 413 mph.

wiki can be edited by anyone and they don't need to verify the information. Post a link to what you just posted. If it checks out it may help. Usually HTC uses manuals and specs from the original papers for the planes. That is why you don't see changes that often. They already use the stuff from the planes them selves.

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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2016, 07:22:55 PM »
Link to postwar performance test pdf from ww2 aircraft performance:
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/japan/Ki-84-156A.pdf


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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2016, 07:30:35 PM »
Link to postwar performance test pdf from ww2 aircraft performance:
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/japan/Ki-84-156A.pdf

The problem with this example is it is missing where it originaly came from, i.e. what document, publisher, etc. to easily verify its authenticity. It might be on the aformentioned website somewhere but you'll have to do the detective work yourself if you want to win the case.
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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2016, 02:51:22 AM »
I don't see why Wiki should not count, but Pilot Resources Aviation Resources post a top speed of 413 mph. The article said the plane was built to fly between 396mph to 423 mph, and speed was 413 mph.

Your numbers are close.  :aok
However you have to be at certain height and do certain things to get that speed.  :old:



https://www.scribd.com/document/329071060/1946-Aaf-T-2-Frank-Ki-84-Interim-Report-3-Secure

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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2016, 03:34:34 AM »
Your numbers are close.  :aok
However you have to be at certain height and do certain things to get that speed.  :old:



https://www.scribd.com/document/329071060/1946-Aaf-T-2-Frank-Ki-84-Interim-Report-3-Secure

Just tried in the training arena at 20k base.
You might have a point.  :headscratch:
However I have limited experience on this with in game testing on this issue.

First without WEP best speed I could get.



Second with WEP best speed I could get.


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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2016, 03:50:13 AM »
I believe the US post-war tests used a higher rated fuel than what the Japanese had available during the war. 
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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2016, 10:04:41 AM »
Quite right. Our in-game model is an example of what the Japanese could actually field in battle. At first, at least. Ours is one of the earlier batches that could produce full power and weren't falling from the skies. Later versions were so underpowered and had such poor fuel quality that going back to an obsolete engine mounted to a Ki-61 airframe actually outperformed it significantly.

Our first version didn't even have WEP. That was an interesting airframe and IMO I liked it a little more. It had more elegance to it. However, somebody found actual documents from the wartime era allowing WEP use for short durations. That's how we have our current Ki-84's WEP. It really turns it into a killer airframe.

You will find our off-wep FTH is about 21k-21.5k, but with WEP we find our top speed around 18k.



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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2016, 11:53:15 AM »
Are our game numbers from Japanese documents?
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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2016, 12:41:42 PM »
Quite a bit of information in this link.

http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=15249.0

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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2016, 01:22:17 PM »
I have to ask why you'd want a KI84 that can do 427 mph when it sheds parts just above 430 mph?


  Ya I know silly question.......



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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2016, 01:45:05 PM »
I have to ask why you'd want a KI84 that can do 427 mph when it sheds parts just above 430 mph?


  Ya I know silly question.......


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WRONG!!! Ki84 does not shed until about 475...I have flown it for many many years....Also I read somewhere that the ki84 was capable of keeping speeds with the p51D......
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Re: Ki 84
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2016, 02:45:44 PM »
It looks like you pick your camp and use their figures. Post war testing with high octane good fuel and 427mph. Or collections of captured pilot interviews and the Mechanic of World Aircraft 7 (Maru Mechanic) Japanese manual and somewhere in the 380's.

Still, a few more mph will not make a player a better pilot....
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