Bf109-G10

[Max]

Didn't we used to have this plane in the game? When did it disappear, and why?

Thanks

[Oldman731]

Didn't we used to have this plane in the game? When did it disappear, and why?

We did.  Way back when.  If memory serves, the consensus was that our G10 was a Frankenstein combination of various other airframes and parts, and never actually existed in real life.

- oldman

[Max]

Wikipedia says that's false; new airframe.

[morfiend]

Wikipedia says that's false; new airframe.

  While wiki is correct I think what Oldman meant was the ingame G10 wasnt really a G10,it was a K4 with G10 weapons options.

  The real G10 would be about 20 to 30 mph slower and was actually fielded after the K4!


 YMMV.



   

[Karnak]

  While wiki is correct I think what Oldman meant was the ingame G10 wasnt really a G10,it was a K4 with G10 weapons options.

  The real G10 would be about 20 to 30 mph slower and was actually fielded after the K4!


 YMMV.



   

This is what it was.

We never had an actual Bf109G-10, just a Bf109K-4 that was labeled as a Bf109G-10 so it could look legitimate to have the Bf109G-10's 20mm options.  When aircraft were updated to AH2 standard they cleaned up Frankenstein aircraft such as the "Bf109G-10" and "Spitfire Mk IX".

[bustr]

I thought it was in production before the K4 to try and combine features of G6\G14 into one production airframe as a stop gap before the K4 went full production. And then the K4 had delays while the G10 kept being produced even for awhile when the K4 started being delivered.

[Karnak]

Bf109K-4 entered service in October of 1944 and the Bf109G-10 entered service in November of 1944.

What we need for an earlier high altitude Bf109 is either the Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS.

[FBKampfer]

The G-10 sort of became a limited upgrade for older G models, though it was intended to be a stop gap new model.

Some were made with new air frames, which would be quite similar to the K4 when it finally went into production, some were G-14's finished as G-10's with the new engine, while others were upgraded from old or damaged airframes, featuring the cowl bulges and lacking other aerodynamic refinements of the K4. These later two would be the slower and probably more common versions, though still a fair improvement over the G-14.

[Denniss]

G-10 was all-new production. Initial G-10 production used airframes originally sheduled to be completed as G-6 or G-14 but never completed as such.
With a DB 605AS or D engine you won't see cowl bulges, same with repaired 109g airframes mated with a 605AS or D (rare but may have happened).

[EagleDNY]

Bf109K-4 entered service in October of 1944 and the Bf109G-10 entered service in November of 1944.

What we need for an earlier high altitude Bf109 is either the Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS.

^ What he said. 

[morfiend]

Bf109K-4 entered service in October of 1944 and the Bf109G-10 entered service in November of 1944.

What we need for an earlier high altitude Bf109 is either the Bf109G-6/AS and a Bf109G-14/ASM.

    There I fixed it for you Karnak!




   

[FBKampfer]

G-10 was all-new production. Initial G-10 production used airframes originally sheduled to be completed as G-6 or G-14 but never completed as such.
With a DB 605AS or D engine you won't see cowl bulges, same with repaired 109g airframes mated with a 605AS or D (rare but may have happened).

Yes and no. Factory made "new" G-10's would be to a similar finish. Some would have landing gear covers, some would not, little things like that.

But many fighters were sent back to factory for repair, and often partially upgraded at the same time, depending on the damage level.

[Denniss]

Yes and no. Factory made "new" G-10's would be to a similar finish. Some would have landing gear covers, some would not, little things like that.

But many fighters were sent back to factory for repair, and often partially upgraded at the same time, depending on the damage level.

Repaired and partially upgraded yes, Restamped to G-10 no. An example is the G-6/U4 at the Australian War Memorial - started it's life as standard G-6, was then converted to G-6/AS with Erla-canopy and during depot repair it was 'downgraded' to G-6/U4.

[Gman]

The AH G10 was great, you could fly it with a 20mm, albeit it was a 150 rnds max back then.

[Flitze]

We never had an actual Bf109G-10, just a Bf109K-4 that was labeled as a Bf109G-10 so it could look legitimate to have the Bf109G-10's 20mm options.

??? The 109G-10 was considerably slower but more manoeuvrable than the K-4. So it was never a K-4 with 20mm gun. Effectively the G-10 wasn't even faster than a G-6 flown by a top 109 pilot when he excercised his wide and fast turns. So what you're trying to tell newcomers here is absolutely wrong !