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Offline snakeplissken

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How many dead horses to beat
« on: December 14, 2016, 09:50:30 PM »
I think in all this discussion, a fundamental point was missed.  Do all squads follow their leaders this way?  I am just saying:  If the briefing for my squad went: Unforgiven, here's the mission:  We are going to fly 2 sectors (IN THE WRONG DIRECTION) and then just land our bombers and tower out.  My guys (even the DFA guys that fly with us) would have said (through a haze of smoke and alcohol vapors) "Yeah, uhhh No, Pliss. That is a stupid plan.  We are not doing that.  Fellas, fall in on me heading 135 (a squad joke) and type dot speed 185 in your text buffers."  I am kinda of proud of that.  Every Friday our Leaders have to LEAD us into combat.  If they don't, we got about 30 guys who are willing to step up.   That is also a warning to other CIC's.  If you would have sent this mission to us,  we would have interpreted it thusly:  He meant Bombs on target by T-60.   ~~~ Snake~~~
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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2016, 09:57:36 PM »
Damn right Snake. No need for timid gameplans.

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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2016, 03:29:43 AM »
Fly it like you stole it!!!! :devil :cheers: :salute
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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2016, 06:50:09 AM »
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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2016, 07:26:47 AM »
First response from my fellow Pigs...



It is a privilege that these guys allow me to lead them.  They follow because they choose to, not because they are told to. 

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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2016, 09:14:05 AM »
Couldn't have said it better way.


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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2016, 11:15:24 AM »
There is no way I would've followed that order and said so in another thread. What's troubling is two squads participated in that fiasco.
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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2016, 11:26:24 AM »
There is no way I would've followed that order and said so in another thread. What's troubling is two squads participated in that fiasco.

I would have been on the other end of this situation if ever giving an order like that.



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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2016, 11:36:48 AM »
If you are given a BS assignment, you find some way to make it fun...be it suicide style fighter attack, or suicide style bombing run...or some other idea that will end your night in a blaze of glory...

Not avoid combat for sake of points...

I don't think I could order my guys to avoid combat...

I have a very hard time trying to keep them on task when we are after only bombers...sawzaw starts having fits and such when we see fighters and I tell them to leave them alone
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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2016, 12:19:30 PM »
I'm a fan of "repeat please" as I dive in solo


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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2016, 06:18:11 PM »
my guys follow me because I threaten to give away their sheep if they don't!!!!!

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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2016, 01:36:38 PM »
I'm a fan of "repeat please" as I dive in solo


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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2016, 02:31:30 PM »
I have flown in 1 fso and 2 or 3 scenarios as a axis squad and all we did for an hour was climb to 25-30k fly in circles burrowing holes in the sky. I don't know if it was a squad leader dicision or a cic problem but it seemed like this squad was being kept from engaging in combat...if I was to fly in scenarios or fso again it would be allies only..because it seems I can't fly fly german iron worth a crap
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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2016, 02:48:52 PM »
I have flown in 1 fso and 2 or 3 scenarios as a axis squad and all we did for an hour was climb to 25-30k fly in circles burrowing holes in the sky. I don't know if it was a squad leader dicision or a cic problem but it seemed like this squad was being kept from engaging in combat...if I was to fly in scenarios or fso again it would be allies only..because it seems I can't fly fly german iron worth a crap

It was a CiC decision to have us as scouts. The biggest factor in scout selection is squad size. As a small squad, I usually get scout duty twice a month. It's easy for a CiC to tell a small squad to patrol a certain area and not worry about breaking up a larger squad to do the job that only requires a few guys. It blows to be sure - makes recruitment a impossible. Sucks having to tell you or the others "Come on back next week. It usually does not suck this bad."
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Re: How many dead horses to beat
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2016, 02:59:24 PM »
It's "say ag n u b king up"

LOL, I see what you did there. Had to read it several times.  :rofl

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