Two countries

[rvflyer]

Finally a logical explanation why two sides will not work.

Hmm.  Three sided war isn't working, marching the same path as WBs did but 3 sides instead of two, so it's not working but defeated it's competition.....

So, it's working?


Two sided war always has the ability to have one side dominate.  3 sided war one side can dominate but it exposes it's flank to a 3rd party, which can capitalize on that exposure and negate any territorial gains. You can't have the game play it the way you want it played, and you cannot balance it unless you dictate side balancing, so you must have a method to allow the dominant party to have it's exposed borders attacked forcing a defense.  If the 1st countries exposed border isn't defended, the 3rd country will capture fields as fast, or faster, than the 1st country which will cause them to weaken and fall, allowing the 2nd, the once weakened country, to counter.

This condition is impossible with a 2 country side.  Just because the Players don't take advantage of this does not mean the system is a failure. 

2 sided war works in Structured Events, with objectives, focused plans, focused missions, and aggressive guidance from a dedicated command staff.  This will never occur in the Mains.  A 2 sided front allows for unrestricted domination by one side, a 3rd country removes the "unrestricted" element.  Now, arguing that 2 sides can gang up, or one side is too low number to effect change, that's subjective and player issues to solve, nothing at all that can be coded out of the game.

As for the AvA not being melee, I get what you are saying, it's an Axis Vs Allies arena compared to the open, free for all Melee arena in the Mains.  But that has nothing to do with the 2v3 side discussion.

[Vraciu]

LOL +1

Two-sided wars had nothing to do with WB's problem.  Actually, that aspect of the game was one of the things they got right.

[Ack-Ack]

Two-sided wars had nothing to do with WB's problem.  Actually, that aspect of the game was one of the things they got right.

While it wasn't the main reason for WB's decline, it was a factor on top of the rolling plane set that was introduced.  I remember how people started to leave WB because of it, one of the main reason why so many from WB migrated to AH.

[Vraciu]

While it wasn't the main reason for WB's decline, it was a factor on top of the rolling plane set that was introduced.  I remember how people started to leave WB because of it, one of the main reason why so many from WB migrated to AH.

Completely untrue.

The RPS along with a pure Axis vs Allied--and some other stupid ideas promoted by Wild Bill's groupies--are what did it.   Also, as in here, people just drifted away. 

People you claim left there over two sides aren't staying here with three. 

[caldera]

I would like to see "2 Side Tuesday" given a try.  Mix things up for just one day a week.  People would get to meet people that they never have, due to country loyalty.  Maybe build more camaraderie in the community.  And there would always be action on the front, unlike a three sided arena. 

[captain1ma]

vraciu, what exactly qualifies you as an expert on this topic? you seem to know whats best for everyone else. how do you qualify your expertise? and please, no "ive played games for 10 years", anyone can say that! I'm just curious. no disrespect intended.

[Vraciu]

 

vraciu, what exactly qualifies you as an expert on this topic? you seem to know whats best for everyone else. how do you qualify your expertise? and please, no "ive played games for 10 years", anyone can say that! I'm just curious. no disrespect intended.

Having an opinion on a DISCUSSION board is a crime now?

Noted.

[Vraciu]

I would like to see "2 Side Tuesday" given a try.  Mix things up for just one day a week.  People would get to meet people that they never have, due to country loyalty.  Maybe build more camaraderie in the community.  And there would always be action on the front, unlike a three sided arena.

I like the idea but then I imagine people would just dodge Tuesdays...and I say that as an advocate for two sides.   

Having a two-sided arena with 27 vs 22 is going to generate a lot more action than having 16 vs 15 vs 18.

I loved watching the fronts move in WBs.   It was a blast to see the bad guys marching across the map and then have a Tobruk Moment to push them back.    I see nothing like that here.   It's all about percentages and convoluted formulae that makes winning the map gamey.   It makes my eyes roll back in my head.

Hey, it has worked for a long time, I get it.   I also know why HT says he did it that way (I heard his explanation directly in person).   At one time it certainly served a purpose, but at some point three sides needs to go away even if just for a little while.   Maybe it will be a hit.

I have never flown War Blunder (et. al.) longer than half an hour so I can't recall.   Is it two sides?   Three?  Five? 

[waystin2]

FSO.

[Shuffler]

FSO.

More BACON

[jimson]

AVA suffers because of its settings. 

Naw,  not really, you go back to the oldest threads and see that it has always been a struggle to populate it. It  can't be an automatic win the war arena because that system doesn't work with custom planesets and 2sided base ownership.

Still other than a few special occasions it is axis vs allies. It usually just becomes an axis vs allies dueling  arena.

We keep trying to experiment with different things.

[The Fugitive]

Having an opinion on a DISCUSSION board is a crime now?

Noted.

He said nothing about a crime. You ALWAYS post like you know everything, and most of us know that isn't true because when asked to back it up with verifiable facts you post something like the quote.


All he asked was why you believe, or have the opinion that you posted, as in was discussing your point of view. Instead of attacking him, maybe you could try discussing what qualifies you as an expert. 

[DmonSlyr]

Ive presented 2 solutions to to the AvA team which should make the arena more populated and fun to play in. May take a minute on the new map and hopefully we can get some regulars to be in there every night to post #s. With 5 or 6 players in the room between 6PM and 10PM, it will appear as though it is populated. This will bring more players and the arena will fill up a lil more.


As far as 2 countries in the MA. It just simply wouldn't make anything better.

[DmonSlyr]

Someone should post the smog 8 map from AH2 on here so people can see what a good small fight map looks like. This would be perfect for the AvA or even for a midwar main arena.

[Vraciu]

He said nothing about a crime. You ALWAYS post like you know everything, and most of us know that isn't true because when asked to back it up with verifiable facts you post something like the quote.


All he asked was why you believe, or have the opinion that you posted, as in was discussing your point of view. Instead of attacking him, maybe you could try discussing what qualifies you as an expert.

If his question had been sincere instead of bait I would have gladly answered. 

So funny that you who deride others suffer the malady you disdain: being an "expert".

This entire thread is conjecture.   Everyone in it is speculating.   Anyone who sees it otherwise has a distorted view of things.   

Dale will do it his way.    I am not required to agree with his every move, however.   

In any event, I have the perspective of experience.   I've seen it before.  That may not qualify as expertise,  however it does allow an informed opinion to be made.  That and a dollar will get you a soda.