Hell Over the Hinterland design (Feb/March 2017 scenario)

[Devil 505]

Brooke, you should stop lumping BOWL with the other scenarios where the the scoring and performance was at least close to balanced. BOWL was so imbalanced it was mathematically impossible for the Axis to win without achieving nearly perfect performance. If the allied bombers dropped on target, they won. It was that simple.

This is what worries me about the scoring of this event. The basic math presented by ROC shows a great potential for runaway scoring by bombing. 

[Brooke]

Brooke, you should stop lumping BOWL with the other scenarios where the the scoring and performance was at least close to balanced. BOWL was so imbalanced it was mathematically impossible for the Axis to win without achieving nearly perfect performance. If the allied bombers dropped on target, they won. It was that simple.

This is what worries me about the scoring of this event. The basic math presented by ROC shows a great potential for runaway scoring by bombing.

I hear you, Devil -- and thank you for communicating in a nice way.  It certainly isn't my goal to have things unbalanced.  BOWL has a bombers:fighters ratio of 0.49 -- way above the 0.28 of this scenario -- and they were heavy bombers at higher altitude than what we have here (which makes them harder to intercept and easier to defend).  Also, the scoring system here isn't at all similar to BOWL or The Final Battle, but completely different.

As for scoring vs. setup, you can pick the scoring to take into account the setup and what you think will be typical outcome.

For example, you could set up a scenario where bombers always get stomped.  Then you have a scoring system where, if they manage even a few drops on target, they get a lot of points.  Even though bombers always get stomped, that scoring system could still provide a balanced scoring.  You could set up where bombers always get to target, and then you'd make the points per drop of bomber very, very low.

Here, I'm picking 1:1 fighters:fighters and 0.28 bombers:fighters to be in line with past scenarios in general -- not BOWL specifically (which again is 0.49, not 0.28) -- to provide an environment where bombers will typically get in fights on the way to and/or from target and sometimes get to target but not always.  This is what I think of as being OK for bombers -- not too easy, not a wipeout every time.  Then I'm picking a scoring system so that what I think will be typical results in a delta of zero points.  It's not a number picked out of thin air.

Now, the best way to do it is for me to run scoring on lots and lots of past frames and multiple past scenarios and adjust points per drop so that the average is zero and see what the probability distributions look like.  That is about the most-solid way you can set this parameter.  However, it entails writing computer code to do that.  I will give it a try to see if I can pull it off over the next several days.

[JunkyII]

Fly with the Blue Nosed Bastards! Join the 352nd FG today!

[Hajo]

The insults thrown around in this post is the exact reason I will no longer participate in scenarios.  One chooses a favorite side (axis or allied) and gets angered because they aren't in his favor.  So it seems to them.

Brooke has done this for years.  I've never in all my years have heard the whining and insults that I've heard in the last 4 or so Scenarios.

Brooke you've always done a great job taking care as best you can to balance the competition.  Even though in real life during the war it wasn't balanced.

I know many who feel the same way I do.  The bickering and the jousting for an advantage in here has finally got to the point of childishness.

The insults don't help either.  Brooke, I know you love to do this.  I wouldn't do it with this crowd.  Let the Air Marshalls and LW Generals design it themselves.

Maybe 12 people will then play.  Attendance for scenarios is at the lowest point in my almost 18 years in Aces High.  I wonder why.

[JunkyII]

The insults thrown around in this post is the exact reason I will no longer participate in scenarios.  One chooses a favorite side (axis or allied) and gets angered because they aren't in his favor.  So it seems to them.

Brooke has done this for years.  I've never in all my years have heard the whining and insults that I've heard in the last 4 or so Scenarios.

Brooke you've always done a great job taking care as best you can to balance the competition.  Even though in real life during the war it wasn't balanced.

I know many who feel the same way I do.  The bickering and the jousting for an advantage in here has finally got to the point of childishness.

The insults don't help either.  Brooke, I know you love to do this.  I wouldn't do it with this crowd.  Let the Air Marshalls and LW Generals design it themselves.

Maybe 12 people will then play.  Attendance for scenarios is at the lowest point in my almost 18 years in Aces High.  I wonder why.

You won't hear any whining if you come fly a Jug or P51 for the allies

[fudgums]

The insults thrown around in this post is the exact reason I will no longer participate in scenarios.  One chooses a favorite side (axis or allied) and gets angered because they aren't in his favor.  So it seems to them.

Brooke has done this for years.  I've never in all my years have heard the whining and insults that I've heard in the last 4 or so Scenarios.

Brooke you've always done a great job taking care as best you can to balance the competition.  Even though in real life during the war it wasn't balanced.

I know many who feel the same way I do.  The bickering and the jousting for an advantage in here has finally got to the point of childishness.

The insults don't help either.  Brooke, I know you love to do this.  I wouldn't do it with this crowd.  Let the Air Marshalls and LW Generals design it themselves.

Maybe 12 people will then play.  Attendance for scenarios is at the lowest point in my almost 18 years in Aces High.  I wonder why.

Completely agree, it's unbelievable how so many people can't figure this out. Every time I think about coming back, I read this stuff and I already have enough drama in my life.

[DubiousKB]

See you all Friday! I am terrible in chosen ride, but who cares it's FSO! 

[Zoney]

The insults thrown around in this post is the exact reason I will no longer participate in scenarios.  One chooses a favorite side (axis or allied) and gets angered because they aren't in his favor.  So it seems to them.

Brooke has done this for years.  I've never in all my years have heard the whining and insults that I've heard in the last 4 or so Scenarios.

Brooke you've always done a great job taking care as best you can to balance the competition.  Even though in real life during the war it wasn't balanced.

I know many who feel the same way I do.  The bickering and the jousting for an advantage in here has finally got to the point of childishness.

The insults don't help either.  Brooke, I know you love to do this.  I wouldn't do it with this crowd.  Let the Air Marshalls and LW Generals design it themselves.

Maybe 12 people will then play.  Attendance for scenarios is at the lowest point in my almost 18 years in Aces High.  I wonder why.

I completely agree.  It seems many people put in a maximum effort to remove the fun.  I'm only here for the fun, aren't we all?  Shouldn't we all?  I'm going to have fun playing this game, period.  Nothing you do can take that away from me.

YOU are responsible for your own happiness.  It is a choice.

[Bruv119]

I'm bitterly disappointed that this won't have a squadron of Meteor mk III's vs Me 262-s.   

[Zoney]

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[Brooke]

I'm bitterly disappointed that this won't have a squadron of Meteor mk III's vs Me 262-s.   

We'll make up for it with "The Final Countdown" scenario.  We don't have F-14's, but we'll sub Me 262's off the CV's.

[Brooke]

Thank you, guys.

Hajo and Fudgums, please don't let a few negative posts throw you off -- there are lots of guys in the community, me included, who would love to fly with you guys.

Even guys who post a negative post, they are still our brothers in arms who love flying in Aces High.  Their hearts are in the right place even if emotions sometimes run high.

Come on in, guys!  Newer generations of Aces High pilots will benefit from the atmosphere you guys bring, and you will love the action! 

[swareiam]

Brooke is right.

Herr Hajo and Fudgums,

I/SG4 has two hot seats waiting for you.

It is the best of both worlds. We'll be ripping up the RAF concrete in places like Heesch, Evere and Einhoven as well as watching the plumes of flame trailing from their Flugzeuge.

Hell Over the Hinterland
Click on link above.

I created this convenient link for you to the registration page. Com'n let's have some fun. 

 

[Hajo]

Thank you, guys.

Hajo and Fudgums, please don't let a few negative posts throw you off -- there are lots of guys in the community, me included, who would love to fly with you guys.

Even guys who post a negative post, they are still our brothers in arms who love flying in Aces High.  Their hearts are in the right place even if emotions sometimes run high.

Come on in, guys!  Newer generations of Aces High pilots will benefit from the atmosphere you guys bring, and you will love the action! 

Brooke I hope these folks know that scenarios wouldn't have occurred if we hadn't dragged the format over from Air Warrior.  As in Air Warrior you were the one in Aces High

that brought this format back.  Started it in Aces High.  There would be no scenarios without you in Aces High and YOU were the driving force in Air Warrior.  You are due way

more respect then you are given.  I would never post on these boards the derogatory responses focused on your gamesmanship.  These folks that participate in these scenarios

owe you much.  You put up with their crap, whining and now insults and you don't have to.  Brooke I can't participate, or say I won't participate with so many ingrates and children.

To me it's the respect or should I say lack thereof of some of these children who have no idea from whence this format came, and who started it in Aces High, and you take all the

abuse for spending your personal time when I know you have a family to tend to.  I remember also the complaining and whimpering about Fencer and Guppy for DGSII. OH! and the

insults they also received about DGSII.  I, at my age do not suffer children well........supposedly grown-up children.  I apologize Brooke, you know I've participated in Scenarios in

AW and most of them in Aces High.  Brooke you are owed much......and receive poo instead.  Let them find some one else to waste hours of personal time to design Scenarios and receive nothing but grief for doing so.

You Sir deserve a break and nothing but good will from this community.  Instead you get this.  By participating imho I would be condoning their behavior.  And I don't.

[Nefarious]

We don't have F-14's

Says who?