AMD Ryzen CPU

[1701E]

This was recorded using Win 10 Game DVR set for Standard video quality @ 60 FPS (Win 10 since updating to Creators Edition will not allow AMD's ReLive to run...).

For ReLive, are you running 17.6.1 Radeon Drivers?  I just updated due to that very issue of ReLive not working for the longest time after W10 CE, but now it's back to working 100%.
Mine simply wouldn't admit ReLive was installed before though so it may have been a different issue, but worth checking.

[Pudgie]

For ReLive, are you running 17.6.1 Radeon Drivers?  I just updated due to that very issue of ReLive not working for the longest time after W10 CE, but now it's back to working 100%.
Mine simply wouldn't admit ReLive was installed before though so it may have been a different issue, but worth checking.

Hi 1701E,

Yes I'm running Crimson 17.6.1 drivers. ReLive was working just fine & was showing up in the Apps list until I updated my copy of Win 10 Home to the Creators Edition. After this was done, ReLive was removed from this list but it is still installed & accessible thru Radeon Settings but Win 10 won't allow it to execute.

I was gonna uninstall it, wipe all out & reinstall it to see if all this cleared up, but I also reasoned that since the XBox software (which includes the Game Bar, Game DVR & Game Mode) is embedded within Win 10 & cannot be uninstalled w\o going thru a lot of hoops in the background....if at all, I just decided to turn ReLive off in Radeon Settings & use Game DVR for the time being. I noted on the AMD site that this was an issue & the suggested workaround was to disable Game DVR..........

So did you just uninstall the entire Crimson driver suite then reinstall it to clear this up?

Appreciate any info given.

 

[1701E]

I just went through AMD's auto-updater in the Radeon Settings and chose to Custom/Clean Install. Strangely it didn't ask me if I wanted to install ReLive like it use to do (Not an "option" anymore?), but it seemed to work.
Back to looking like normal after that (was missing ReLive Tab in Radeon Settings), but a small downside is now when ReLive Replay kicks in it causes a small stutter.

Radeon Settings System Info just in case I have a slightly different version somewhere;

Radeon Software Version - 17.6.1
Radeon Software Edition - Crimson ReLive
Graphics Chipset - AMD Radeon R9 200 Series
Windows Version - Windows 10 (64 bit)
System Memory - 16 GB
CPU Type - AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Processor
Radeon Settings Version - 2017.0606.1509.25443
Driver Packaging Version - 17.10.3211-170606a-314971E-CrimsonReLive
Provider - Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
2D Driver Version - 8.1.1.1599
Direct3D® Version - 9.14.10.01261
OpenGL® Version - 6.14.10.13476
OpenCL™ Version - 22.19.171.1
AMD Mantle Version - 9.1.10.0189
AMD Mantle API Version - 102400
AMD Audio Driver Version - 10.0.1.1
Vulkan™ Driver Version - 1.5.0
Vulkan™ API Version - 1.0.39

[Vinkman]

What is more amazing is that I haven't done a single thing to my 7700K and I get max settings in every game.

Not surprising based on what I've seen from gamer test sights. I checked prices for 7700K and was surprised to see them under $400.00. I thought they were twice that. 

[Denniss]

old fashined CPU vs completely new architecture
The latter needs some time to mature

[Pudgie]

Update:

At this time I've found the best CPU affinity setting for AHIII to make the most usage of all 8 CPU cores on this AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU.
Since Win 10 Game Mode is using CPU core affinity to optimize game threads I've manually set the CPU core affinity for AHIII to use CPU cores 2,3,4,5 (AHIII game threads are run on the last 2 CPU cores in 1st CCX unit....this frees up CPU cores 0,1 for OS, drivers, background apps, etc & 1st 2 CPU cores in 2nd CCX unit which frees up the last 2 CPU cores to be used for context switching, extra thread execution, etc). Win 10 Game Mode then will "remember" this affinity setting & will reapply it each time AHIII is executed going forward.

When in this configuration AHIII runs very smooth & very responsive w\ overlay showing this CPU's usage % to be very flat & stable hovering between 12%-15% holding a steady 89.9 FPS (Asus MG279Q monitor RR is set here to maintain FreeSynch upper setting of 90 Hz....game using ingame vsynch.

All is functioning very well since the UEFI upgrade to F3c Beta for my Gigabyte GA-AX370 Gaming K5 mobo (AMD AGESA 1.0.0.6 firmware & EZ Overclock Tuner set to AUTO). GSkill FlareX 3200 DDR4 CL14 16Gb 8Gbx2 mem kit is running on XMP Profile 1 hitting all SPD settings @ 3200 freq w\o issue.

This AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU is 1 of the smoothest operating CPU's I've had the pleasure of using in a long time clocking between 3199 MHz-3702 MHz on all 8 CPU cores w\ an occasional uptick on CPU cores 0,1 to 4025 MHz.

Waiting on AMD RX Vega 10 GPU w\ 8Gb HBM2 mem to arrive............

    

PS--Almost forgot....I also went in Powercfg.exe & reset the string for perfboostmode to 1 (enables AMD Turbo CORE to be fully active in the Windows Balanced Power Plan.

 

[oboe]

That sounds great Pudgie.   Thanks to you and Vinkman and all the other trailblazers WRT tweaking Ryzen for optimum game play in AH.  Pretty sure I want my next build to be Ryzen based, though that is a ways out and I will keep on eye on news and developments and Intel's reaction and pricing.

Found this yesterday - this Scotsman says its looking bleak for Intel: "Intel are about to pay the price of years of tech stagnation, lack of innovation and a previously-friendly tech press who finally woke up to their greed."



Anyway found it interesting.   

[Schwalbee]

Can confirm what everyone else is saying .My Ryzen 5 1600 runs AH rock solid at the 75hz refresh rate of my monitor with about 5-10% usage paired with an Amd Radeon 290x


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[oboe]

Can confirm what everyone else is saying .My Ryzen 5 1600 runs AH rock solid at the 75hz refresh rate of my monitor with about 5-10% usage paired with an Amd Radeon 290x


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Schwalbee, just curious, what memory chips are you using?

[Schwalbee]

Schwalbee, just curious, what memory chips are you using?

8gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance 3000 MHz. since the last bios update to my b350 board I am finally able to get 3000mhz on the ram


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[Pudgie]

8gb of ddr4 corsair vengeance 3000 MHz. since the last bios update to my b350 board I am finally able to get 3000mhz on the ram


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Hi Schwalbee,

The Corsair mem you're using......is it this version?
Corsair Vengeance CMK16GX4M4B3000C15R, or is it CMK16GX4M4B3000C15?

Curious to know............

 

[Pudgie]

I just went through AMD's auto-updater in the Radeon Settings and chose to Custom/Clean Install. Strangely it didn't ask me if I wanted to install ReLive like it use to do (Not an "option" anymore?), but it seemed to work.
Back to looking like normal after that (was missing ReLive Tab in Radeon Settings), but a small downside is now when ReLive Replay kicks in it causes a small stutter.

Radeon Settings System Info just in case I have a slightly different version somewhere;

After using Win 10's embedded XBox Game DVR for awhile I've decided to stick w\ it (using the Game Bar & Game Mode anyway) & so I didn't install ReLive when I upgraded to the latest AMD Crimson 17.6.2 drivers after a clean uninstall was performed.

Now Game DVR isn't quite as sophisticated as ReLive but it does a very good job of recording, especially when set up in the default settings for audio (128K) and FPS (30).

 

[Pudgie]

Update:

Here is a video from YouTube reviewer Son of a Tech on optimizing Win 10 specifically for AMD Ryzen CPU's (he was using the Ryzen 7 1800X):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAN3Zjm8xTM

The ones that he specifically mentions for Ryzen are the ones to pay attention to.

1. HPET. This is usually enabled by default in the UEFI for Ryzen CPU's but Win 10 itself isn't using it unless it is told to. AMD has provided a HPET batch file w\ Ryzen Master software that can be used to do this if you're using the profiles in Ryzen Master to set up your CPU\mem when Windows starts (you'll also be starting Ryzen Master software as well)...............

I had already done this 1 prior to seeing his video (got it from another 1) thru Command Prompt (admin) & at the prompt type this command if you don't intend to use Ryzen Master software but use the UEFI (or BIOS if you prefer) exclusively to set up the CPU\mem (like myself):

bcdedit /set useplatformclock true <enter>

Then exit & reboot your computer. After this is done Win 10 will always now be using the HPET timer w\ AMD Ryzen CPU's upon startup which speeds the CPU up.

2. AMD Ryzen Master software open while benchmarking. He says to always close this software before benchmarking (was using Cinebench R15) as it will slow the Ryzen CPU down. He doesn't say why, just says to close it.

I have made note that I think the reason why is due to the fact that AMD Ryzen Master software was written to use OpenGL API so Windows thinks this software is a "game" & will tie up the Ryzen CPU cores across Infinity Fabric slowing the CPU down if it is running in the background. I found this out thru my RTSS overlay as every time I open Ryzen Master software it triggers RTSS to run and the overlay shows that it is reading the OGL API that RM is using to instruct Windows to interpret the GUI calls to the graphics drivers. If you're also running a D3D game (or an app) w\ RM open in the background, you're causing issues which will slow the CPU down due to CPU core allocation instruction differences between the 2 API's.

Since I don't use Ryzen Master software running in the background while running any other games\apps I haven't noticed any ill effects but I can clearly see the potential conflicts if RM is open in the background..........unless CPU core affinity is applied to effectively "separate" the 2 "apps" from using the same CPU cores to process their threads on................

Just putting this out there for consideration.

 

[Pudgie]

1 more item.......................

With these new AMD AM4 mobos for AMD Ryzen\7th Gen AMD CPU's, to get the best experiences from these it will somewhat matter where devices are attached to these mobos to determine which path that they will communicate thru to reach the CPU...either direct to the CPU socket or thru the X370 chipset to the CPU socket.

To illustrate this here are provided below a couple of AMD AM4 X370 mobo block diagrams that show the typical mobo device connection design layout.

So on my Gigabyte GA-AX370 Gaming K5 mobo I have my SoundBlaster X7 USB DAC-AMP plugged into 1 of the USB 3.0 ports using the Gigabyte USB DAC UP 2 power regulation located in the USB cluster w\ the PS\2 header (which goes direct to the CPU), my Logitech G15 keyboard\Logitech Trackman Wheel trackball to 2 USB 3.0 ports in the USB cluster w\ the HDMI port (which goes direct to the CPU), my Samsung 950 Pro 512 Gb NVMe SSD in the M.2 slot (which goes direct to the CPU), my Sapphire Radeon R9 FuryX graphics card in the top PCI-E x16 slot (which goes direct to the CPU w\ full 16 lanes) & GSkill FlareX 16Gb 3200 DDR4 8Gb x 2 mem kit in the mem slots (which go direct to the CPU).

The only devices on my box that communicate thru the X370 chipset are the Intel LAN, the 2 Samsung 850 Pro SATA III SSD's (1 being used for pagefile duty only & 1 for storage...) & the Orico 7-port USB-to-PCI-E add-in card that I use w\ my CH USB HOTAS (installed in 1 of the PCI-E 1x slots that route thru the X370 chipset)

In this configuration all pertinent data moves the fastest due to having the lowest latency.....which makes for a very smooth computing operation. Out of all the reviewers\review sites I have visited, I have viewed only 1 reviewer that touched on this design aspect of AMD AM4 socket mobos.

Something else to consider if considering to go w\ a Ryzen setup.......

 

[Pudgie]

Here is another AM4 block diagram as used w\ the Asus Crosshair VI

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2017/03/amd-ryzen-1800x-and-am4-platform-review/crosshair-diagram-1280x1024.jpg