Author Topic: The sad state of basic knowledge among america's young adults.  (Read 2288 times)

Offline Zimme83

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Re: The sad state of basic knowledge among america's young adults.
« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2017, 02:42:49 PM »
The thing is that the danger of carbon monoxide isnt anything that you can expect people to know about naturally, it has to be taught in school (for ex). But most people dont have stoves in their houses anymore so a lot of people haven't heard of the risk with having a fire in a closed environment.

(and tbh, a lot of people died from carbon monoxide back in the days too...)
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Re: The sad state of basic knowledge among america's young adults.
« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2017, 06:20:20 PM »
If you want the scientific papers you have to find them yourself, its not my job to do it. If you want to prove or disprove something its your job to find the evidence to back it up.. Just because you haven't seen the evidence doesn't mean that it doesn't exist..
You are the one that brought papers up !
It is not my responsibilty to prove ur statement... it is yours
and believe me, the internet is not the way
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Re: The sad state of basic knowledge among america's young adults.
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2017, 06:24:48 PM »
And then there's stories like this:
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/01/27/source-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-killed-berkeley-couple
I'm sorry but how long have we known about carbon monoxide poisoning?
This is just thinning out the herd  :bolt:
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Re: The sad state of basic knowledge among america's young adults.
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2017, 07:08:44 PM »
Read about a guy that was attending an out-door concert/event, sitting in his car drinking beer from a propane cooler... Darwin claimed him.
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Re: The sad state of basic knowledge among america's young adults.
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2017, 07:11:39 PM »
And then there's stories like this:
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/01/27/source-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-killed-berkeley-couple

That is a pretty unsatisfying piece of reporting. They don't really identify the source of CO though they kind of insinuate it might be the 3d printer. I'm curious, right off the bat I wouldn't have suspected a 3d printer but then I've only seen the ones that use ABS filament..
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Re: The sad state of basic knowledge among america's young adults.
« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2017, 01:38:48 AM »
You are the one that brought papers up !
It is not my responsibilty to prove ur statement... it is yours
and believe me, the internet is not the way

I havent made any statements on the subjects, i just posted the links. You were the one requesting evidence so then its your job to find it.
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Re: The sad state of basic knowledge among america's young adults.
« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2017, 06:05:17 AM »
Hajo, how does CO destroy a dust catcher?

Here is what happened.  The furnace had gone through a mini reline.  It had to be dried before being filled and blown in.  We pressure test the entire furnace including the gas cleaning system with a small

amount of wind.  To do this we get garden sprayers and fill them with soapy water and spray the welded joints and bolted mains.  The furnace is dried by using very large Gas Heaters that blow heat into

the vacant tuyere openings.  CO gas had built up during the dry out of the Fce.  All it needed was a spark and enough O2 to ignite.  It did.  With such force that it split the dust catcher and blew the bulkhead

from the  gas main that I explained in an earlier post.  I've had this happen before with a different type of Gas cleaner (cooler) that used low watt electricity and water to gather particulates from the gas,

before it enters the Boiler House to be used for fuel.  When we shut down we have to purge the system with steam and leave the steam in the system while putting the Furnace on (adding wind).  In the

following investigation after the explosion we found a steam purge valve that was bad.  It was a gate valve and turned to the closed and open position.  We found that the stem to the gate valve was not

attached to the gate.  When working the valve it appeared to be normal.  It wasn't.
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Re: The sad state of basic knowledge among america's young adults.
« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2017, 07:10:49 AM »
Thanks Hajo. So the culprit was the O2.

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Re: The sad state of basic knowledge among america's young adults.
« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2017, 02:29:40 PM »
I havent made any statements on the subjects, i just posted the links. You were the one requesting evidence so then its your job to find it.
This is an awful thin statement of non-cuplability be so be it!
I'm done  :cheers:
 
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Re: The sad state of basic knowledge among america's young adults.
« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2017, 07:22:06 PM »
Thanks Hajo. So the culprit was the O2.

Yes sir.....if we hadn't pressure tested with wind (02) there would be only CO. The CO wouldn't have lit off/exploded without the O2.  As you know O2 doesn't burn, but it supports combustion.

Once we put everything back together we pressure tested the Furnace using steam instead of wind.  We should've done that in the first place.  We used past practice.  That doesn't mean past practice

was the correct procedure apparently.  Just means we were lucky before.  Fortunately no one was hurt.
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