IL2 Bomblets

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We have videos of PTAB deployment.

The Il2 flew flat and deployed from the horizontal to spread a carpet some 100m in length and 20-30m wide. They dispersed quite naturally.... The carpet length being a function of ground speed.

It's most effective use during the Kursk conflict took out multiple tiger tanks which had entered the battled in a massed attack. This caused the Whermarcht to radically change tactics to a much more open attack strategy. Which was the adopted strategy for the rest of the war. The IL2 plus PTAB continued to be the most effective air borne  tank killer of WW2

Tank battles where there is considerable separation is the typical format found in AH3.

These things did not blow buildings they peppered them with holes. They would be ideal at catching stuff on spawns or areas where there are multiple spawn campers...... Equally ideal at carpeting a street in a town or in a cluster of trees where tanks were hiding.

However to delay they have to fly straight and low....... A perfect target for Ostwinds and Wirbles.

I.e ...gameplay.

[Zimme83]

Quite a lot of IL:s fell to AAA irl too so its seems legit. our flak is a lot more accurate but on the other hand there are rarely more than 1-3 flakpanzers in the same area.

But im sure that the community will find a tactic in order to deploy the bombs in the most efficient way..

[bustr]

And you don't think the geniuses in our game won't try everything they can with an IL2 full of PTABs to leverage something greify with it to get a rise out of people? What's Air Marshal Hitech gonna do to them for spraying PTABS all over the place? Ground them.......

I stopped worrying about these kinds of things the day a lancaster box popped up out of the water to spray 1000lbers all over my CV and sink it.

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Bustr, that's probably the same reason we don't have 24 r4m's on our Focke-Wulf's and Me262s.

They did not leave any smoke trails, the allied thought they where hit by flak, not by fighters.

The 190F8 only carried  bomblet bombs on the center mount, they where to big for the wings, they either had the rockets, but more often the small bombs, the rockets where very effective when you hit, but much like the allied rockets, very hard to hit with.

In AH you can kill a Panther with the anti-tank rockets, but you have to get close, I have only managed to kill Panthers twice with them.

[Ack-Ack]

And you don't think the geniuses in our game won't try everything they can with an IL2 full of PTABs to leverage something greify with it to get a rise out of people?

This is a PvP game, people will have to deal with getting their tank blown up by an airplane.  The only one with an issue seems to be you but you've pretty much been unable to come with a reasonable reason as to why the PTAB shouldn't be added, except your "what if..." worst case scenarios.

[bustr]

I'm making fun of it and you and the over serious defending it so seriously.

It will get abused like everything else added to the game that was supposed to be seriously utilized in a proper WW2 manner in our brittley serious simulation. It will be a greifertastic greifing toy flung at everything bored griefers can fling it at like a monkey pie flinging party at the zoo. It would probably be one of the best gags Hitech adds to the game in the last few years to watch all the greifers find a gazillion ways to fling it around the arena.

You get any more brittle about this and your halo will crack.....

[Tilt]

Upping a formation of Lancasters from a dirt field to take out a tank could be termed griefing.............. IMO.

Killing GV's with PTaB laden Il2's is what they were designed to do............


The argument that any new deployment of weaponry can be used to "grief" is a nay-sayer's  charter that would lock the game into stagnation IMO.

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Allow only bombing  from bomb-sight for level bombers, only a few, more nimble planes like the Ju88 could act as both level bombers and dive bombers.
Doing that would require you to fly without drones, no planes ever bomb-dive in formation because you aiming with the whole plane.

Upping a formation of Lancasters from a dirt field to take out a tank could be termed griefing.............. IMO.

Killing GV's with PTaB laden Il2's is what they were designed to do............


The argument that any new deployment of weaponry can be used to "grief" is a nay-sayer's  charter that would lock the game into stagnation IMO.

[FBKampfer]

I'd guess so, as the SD-4 HL was dropped in the AB 500 and AB 250 containers, which didn't fit to the ETC 50/ETC 70 underwing racks.

The F8 was also equipped with the ETC 250. The AB250 could theoretically be carried under wing, though I can't speak as to whether or not it was actually carried.

[Lusche]

The F8 was also equipped with the ETC 250.

Under the wing?  I know some G variants did, but I never read about the F-8 having anything bigger than ETC50/70 under the wing. 

[FBKampfer]

Under the wing?  I know some G variants did, but I never read about the F-8 having anything bigger than ETC50/70 under the wing. 

Sorry, I meant the ETC 503. At least one group used it in conjunction with the SC250 in the.... Balkans if memory serves. I believe it was Krusty who posted pictures in one of the 190 expanded variants threads.

Admittedly it was fairly rare, being used primarily for carriage of drop tanks from what I can tell, though as I said there is photo documentation of at least one group using then for bombs. And it's entirely possible that bomblete dispensers were carried on the wings as well.

More to the point though, it was a possible load out. And if I recall, hitech has they won't restrict specific loadouts so long as it was possible and each component was used and historical.

[Randy1]

I will take the P-38L for GV attacks over any IL2 bomblets or not.

[bustr]

Upping a formation of Lancasters from a dirt field to take out a tank could be termed griefing.............. IMO.

Killing GV's with PTaB laden Il2's is what they were designed to do............


The argument that any new deployment of weaponry can be used to "grief" is a nay-sayer's  charter that would lock the game into stagnation IMO.

You get any more brittle about this and your halo will crack.....

[Rich46yo]

The removal of F3 mode has killed alot of IL2 usage.  I barely see them these days.  I can still hear the whines on range Ghi just killed me AGAIN!   

Yeah and it was only Ghi who even flew them that way. I flew them exclusively and still I never figured out how they were supposedly uber against fighters in F3. Im a very average fighter jock and I never got killed like that by an IL2, not even by Ghi and I was always around towns he was buzzing around at.

I still fly them a little but not much. I'll pass on getting the entire argument started again about how my plane was ruined. Whats done is done.

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Yeah and it was only Ghi who even flew them that way. I flew them exclusively and still I never figured out how they were supposedly uber against fighters in F3. Im a very average fighter jock and I never got killed like that by an IL2, not even by Ghi and I was always around towns he was buzzing around at.

I still fly them a little but not much. I'll pass on getting the entire argument started again about how my plane was ruined. Whats done is done.

Its pretty simple.. If you are in the cockpit of a IL2 its hard to make deflection shots.  If you are in F3 mode its very very easy.