IL2 Bomblets

[bustr]

You can set the views in the IL2 so you can furball. Sadly most of my dieing in an IL2 against fighters is from being HO'd. Going into a shallow dive, popping a notch of flaps will give you a sudden tight little turn, and you can get the nose up for a parting shot with the 37mm.

[Ack-Ack]

if it annoys GVers all the more reason to add it.

Driving to base and porking everything including hangars and then sitting on the runway with M4s seems to be a popular Bish tactic atm.

If there is a vehicle in the game that needs some of its ordnance perked, the M4(75) is it.

The calliope rockets for the M4(75) make the tank the ultimate base and town killer.  Last night I was easily able to roll up a tank to A17 and killed the base with a single M4(75) and still had enough HE rounds to take out any hanger that respawned.  Prior to taking A17, I was able to take out the town at A15 from a nearby hillside without ever coming in range of the town ack guns.  With the calliope rockets, the town was taken down really fast and with M3s ready in the wings, A15 fell really fast.

Whilst our Hurri 2ds are more than capable of dishing them a cold taste of AH reality, they need enough warning to get off the field in time before the camping starts.

I agree.  Even though A17 was defended, with the base completely porked, the few Bish that were able to up before I shut down the base weren't able to do anything to effect the base capture. Since I parked my tank in the middle of the field, Bish couldn't take off.

The removal of F3 mode has killed alot of IL2 usage.  I barely see them these days.  I can still hear the whines on range Ghi just killed me AGAIN!   

It's odd, I rarely see anyone up an IL2 when I play late at night but during US prime time, I see more IL2s upping for town defense. 

[Randy1]

I need to set me a button to turn off trackir when using the IL2.  Trackir really throws off a fixed sight.  I have to make myself get in alignment before every shot.

As far as tanks getting to the field, well that goes back to clearing trees back for a larger killing zone.

I use the M4 quite a bit.  I think the reason the rockets are not perked is the rockets are so easy to knock off.

[Tilt]

The IL2m3 is modelled and yet its PTaB is not.  IMO it is the PTaB that made the IL2m3 in to the tank killer it is known to be.

They were housed in 4 pods so it has 4 deployments.

It may be worth finding out how often the PTaB was deployed on the same aircraft as the 37mm.  Such that they are only available with the 23mm YVA.

[Mister Fork]

The IL2m3 is modelled and yet its PTaB is not.  IMO it is the PTaB that made the IL2m3 in to the tank killer it is known to be.

They were housed in 4 pods so it has 4 deployments.

It may be worth finding out how often the PTaB was deployed on the same aircraft as the 37mm.  Such that they are only available with the 23mm YVA.

Then we need to add it to the Wishlist - perhaps as a perked plane option.

[Zimme83]

No need to perk it, you will cover a slightly bigger area but as said before, a 1 ton bomb from a Tu have almost the same blast radius. The bomblets will make the Il a bit more effective but it will not be any kind of über tank killer. Planes like the A-20 will still be a better option. (Not to mention the lancs....)

[save]

True, same as the Fw190F8 SD-4 anti-armor bomblet's, and also R4M for the FW190A8/D9 air-to-air rockets

The IL2m3 is modelled and yet its PTaB is not.  IMO it is the PTaB that made the IL2m3 in to the tank killer it is known to be.

They were housed in 4 pods so it has 4 deployments.

It may be worth finding out how often the PTaB was deployed on the same aircraft as the 37mm.  Such that they are only available with the 23mm YVA.

[Tilt]

True, same as the Fw190F8 SD-4 anti-armor bomblet's

Were the  canisters limited to the fuselage hard points on the F8?

[bustr]

Much of the PTAB success came against columns of vehicles stuck on a road. In our game we are more likely to be flinging PTAB around a small area trying to get one onto a tank someone is doing doughnuts with to screw our aim. Some enterprising individual will come up with an unexpected use for them that will probably have these forums flaming with PO'd vets.

Consider the Yak version with the internal bomb carrying ability that also dropped PTAB. Then think about all those Yak drivers who come in at grass top level and fly down your runway unscathed. Now give them PTAB's to share on their way through......even an IL2 under the right conditions at a Vbase or a port.

[Ack-Ack]

In our game we are more likely to be flinging PTAB around a small area trying to get one onto a tank someone is doing doughnuts with to screw our aim. Some enterprising individual will come up with an unexpected use for them that will probably have these forums flaming with PO'd vets.

So?  We have guys in Lancasters now dropping 4k eggs on single GVs in game. 

Consider the Yak version with the internal bomb carrying ability that also dropped PTAB. Then think about all those Yak drivers who come in at grass top level and fly down your runway unscathed. Now give them PTAB's to share on their way through......even an IL2 under the right conditions at a Vbase or a port.

Again, so what?  Neither of your "points" are really valid reasons not to add PTABs or other types of cluster munitions.

[bustr]

If I didn't want them I would say I don't want them.

This is rhetorical imagery to how things never get used in the game exactly like the OP trys to sell them to Hitech for inclusion. And Hitech seems to always find the least modeling to introduce things for our greifergastic circus. PTAB will only work if you can get the tiny bugger onto a tank. Tankers have already learned to turn like furballing their tank when the IL2\Ju87 makes it's guns run. The single best place for the PTAB will be in the town while tanks are limited by the streets(columns of vehicles). So the PTAB will turn into a fun run greiferistc device that will have vets screaming about historic misuses of the little buggers.

You have been around this greiferistic madhouse as long as I have Ack Ack.

[Zimme83]

200 bomblets can cover roughly 400 square meters if you want a good chance of killing a tank. thats 20x20 meters. Not exactly a huge area. it would be an upgrade for the IL-2 since the bombs it has today is nearly useless for most players but it will not make the il-2 more dangerous to tanks than the A-20 and similar planes.

[bustr]

You want to become deadly with the IL2 bombs and rockets? Practice offline with the lead computing dive bombing cross turned on. The IL2 climbs like a pig loaded with ord, and is it's own worst enemy if you try to dive bomb. You have to learn how to level "bomb and rocket" which is what those arcs on the hood are for with some of the skins. The guns make the IL2 a more precision weapon against GV's while the bombs will get you whacked against osti\wirb\M16.

You aim down the side of the hood favoring one wing or the other and the arcs are related to alt I believe 200m-350m. You make a level run over your target and when the line of the arc that curves down the side of the nose is just at the target you hit the switch. That was the answer to the Il2 being a death trap if you dive bombed with it. It's good for harassing camps and supply depots. I suspect Hitech will have the PTAB drop in a straight line arc effected by yaw like our current bombs. You want some dispersion, you will have to funky chicken your tail over the target.

[Zimme83]

The IL-2 also suffers from the fact that its armor is non existent in the game, even a .30 pintle gun kills the pilot through the front armor...

[Lusche]

Were the  canisters limited to the fuselage hard points on the F8?

I'd guess so, as the SD-4 HL was dropped in the AB 500 and AB 250 containers, which didn't fit to the ETC 50/ETC 70 underwing racks.