maybe the three country system needs an adjustment

[Vraciu]

Bustr acts like any suggestion to the game is awful. Always post useless walls of text too. Must be part of the good ol boys. Just calling it how I see it from the sideline. I'm down for anything to promote AIR combat.

I would agree but it isn't worth 20 points...so I'll just say you may be on to something here.    There are a lot of folks who resist/oppose change for the sake of it.  That's not a good reason.   Change can be good or bad, and it isn't ALWAYS the latter.

 

[rvflyer]

You could be right Willy. Not sure how long you have to be on a side, I do know that there are people that stay logged on over night in anticipation of a win, when they are not playing. I would like to see a auto logoff after a hour or so of inactivity.

Isn't it if they haven't been on that side for 12 hours when the war is won, they get nothing?  I don't recall it being tied to side switch time.

Wiley.

[Wiley]

You could be right Willy. Not sure how long you have to be on a side, I do know that there are people that stay logged on over night in anticipation of a win, when they are not playing. I would like to see a auto logoff after a hour or so of inactivity.

Problem is that's trivially circumvented.  It would have no effect on people who were staying logged in for a reason.

Wiley.

[JunkyII]

You guys have finally run out of canards to hide behind and have come to your real whine. You think 1 hour or quicker side switching will fix ENY as your presenting argument. You really want faster side switching while ENY is a vehicle to not get banned for what the muppets got banned over a few years ago trying this with a forum mob revolt. Faster side switching even if it is a free switch only to the low side at will, only creates population oscillations. The more population the worse the oscillations. You seem to keep forgetting Hitech has given that explanation a number times in different formats or this is where you dismiss him as a moron.

So continuing this is treating him like you think he is a moron because he doesn't get how right you are based on your own declarations. Then upping the anti by inventing a consensus of opinion that is supposed to speak for "all" of the community even if they don't know who you are. Pretty standard fair if you watch the daily media soap operas, and then you act like Hitech does not know how this script works while you beat that dead horse with the same old script one more time.   

It's not a conspiracy theory you paranoid drama queen.....

You blathered out a wall of text which consists of leave hitech alone and paranoid remarks about the muppets and SAID nothing to how the game would be effected negatively if they opened up side switch to the small number side....I concede...maybe there is more data he sees then we do which is why he won't give the 1 hour rule (which I honestly don't see how it's effect would create a huge difference but it has in the number of players pissed about ENY these days) but don't try and act like we are attacking him.....give a logical argument as to why opening up switching to the small number side is bad....you haven't all you say is "leave him alone" and "muppets conspiracy"

Here's a conspiracy for you....where'd all the numbers go since the 12 hour rule went into effect??? What are all the players holding a strike against him for that???

No they got tired of not being able to find fights so they found other games....it's not hard just add them on Steam and see that they are playing IL2....

[DmonSlyr]

Personally, I think 3 hours is a better time for side switching. That way spying would still be difficult and most of the fights would be different by then. 3 hours is a long sit for one player at a time. That way, if a player comes back after and hour break and sees the #s have been skewed, or his team is hoarding, he can happily switch sides without having to wait another 2 hours...

[Shuffler]

Numbers swing are more created by larger squads meeting up in today's arena.


Two sided arena has proven to not work per Hitech.


If folks in here were flying instead of posting, they could be having fun.

[Vraciu]

Numbers swing are more created by larger squads meeting up in today's arena.


Two sided arena has proven to not work per Hitech.


If folks in here were flying instead of posting, they could be having fun.

Two-sided arena is the most fun I've ever had in any game that didn't involve killing Zombies. 

[JunkyII]

Numbers swing are more created by larger squads meeting up in today's arena.


Two sided arena has proven to not work per Hitech.


If folks in here were flying instead of posting, they could be having fun.

Been sick the last week while trying to get this dang job, can't get on let alone walk around more then I already have to trying to get this stuff figured out 

But I disagree with the large squad comment....how many large squads are left? POTW wasn't always the biggest but it for sure seems to be these days along with JG11 and a few others...Rolling Thunder, Claim Jumpers, Jokers, Birds of prey CHs all used to be noticeably bigger and yet the problem wasnt as big back then as it is now. I think the thing that changed is the squads who would change country to the lower side are now no longer as active and those that remain change a lot less frequently...The 80th is a great example of that, I remember fighting the 80th in the morning then giving them check 6s at night....Blue Knights....haven't seen one of them on in a long time...heck AoM had 3 players on about 2 weeks ago....I bet they don't remember the last time they saw those numbers. Devil is doing a good job getting KN back to where it was but they still lack numbers.

I don't know everyone's specific reason for leaving the game but the inability to jump sides to find a fight definitely puts more icing on that cake then it does removing it.

3 hours and unlimited switches to lowest number side....Why Not?

-Spys? Yea that ain't going away, people are willing to buy a second account for it

-ENY out of whack....kinda already is, you wouldn't have people thanking a squad for changing if it wasn't... (please someone say I'm wrong about that who isn't in POTW)

-People stacking the side who's winning? Those restrictions have been in place and it happens either way...don't reward them unless they have been there 24+ hours then and hey ENY gets a real chance to do it job and make it so people have to work together in lesser rides to win

It's absolute garbage that this type of suggestion gets met with deaf ears because people think it's a sin against the HTC bible to suggest something against what has already been changed....makes the community toxic and not welcoming...Example...Bustr saying Dobs suggestions are worthy because he is new to the game.... (I would quote but HTC edited it).

Sorry for the rant Shuffler I know you just want to get some fights in game I just don't understand why people in this community can't be open minded to a suggestion.

[guncrasher]

Junky after the other threads where hitech explained why the 6 hour switch time, maybe you would think of setting up a proposal about why a lower switch time would be better.

so far you havent.  all you do is discussed among you 7 or 8 people agreeing that a lower switch time would work with no data to back it up.  this reminds me of a thread a few years ago where about 6 players wanted to be charged only for the days they played instead of the 15 flat rate.  that was funny how they agreed among themselves that it was a better option.  I find it funny how you guys do the same thing.

you guys are grown-ups deal with it. stop acting like little kids.

semp

[Vraciu]

Junky after the other threads where hitech explained why the 6 hour switch time, maybe you would think of setting up a proposal about why a lower switch time would be better.

so far you havent.  all you do is discussed among you 7 or 8 people agreeing that a lower switch time would work with no data to back it up.  this reminds me of a thread a few years ago where about 6 players wanted to be charged only for the days they played instead of the 15 flat rate.  that was funny how they agreed among themselves that it was a better option.  I find it funny how you guys do the same thing.

you guys are grown-ups deal with it. stop acting like little kids.

semp

No data to back it up.    That's a false premise.   One cannot prove a theory without an experiment.   So far we aren't being given the chance because your side "knows with certainty it will not work because we say so, even though we have no proof either" -- I believe that's called a logical fallacy.

[Vraciu]

...

3 hours and unlimited switches to lowest number side....Why Not?

-Spys? Yea that ain't going away, people are willing to buy a second account for it

-ENY out of whack....kinda already is, you wouldn't have people thanking a squad for changing if it wasn't... (please someone say I'm wrong about that who isn't in POTW)

-People stacking the side who's winning? Those restrictions have been in place and it happens either way...don't reward them unless they have been there 24+ hours then and hey ENY gets a real chance to do it job and make it so people have to work together in lesser rides to win

It's absolute garbage that this type of suggestion gets met with deaf ears because people think it's a sin against the HTC bible to suggest something against what has already been changed....makes the community toxic and not welcoming...Example...Bustr saying Dobs suggestions are worthy because he is new to the game.... (I would quote but HTC edited it).

Sorry for the rant Shuffler I know you just want to get some fights in game I just don't understand why people in this community can't be open minded to a suggestion.

"Because we've always done it this way."









I'll just leave this here in Hitech's own words.

To begin with I think side imbalencing has not been that much of a problem over the years. Only on a few occasions has things gotten out of wack.

But there have been times when the numbers have gotten far out of wack.  We typicly resist any change that forces people to different sides.We typicly are more inclined to giving incentives to changing sides to the lower number country, but so far it has not been a strong enough force to always keep the sides  close to balance.


Our current thought is that a country with substantialy more numbers, say in the realm of 20% more will have a time limit imposed between flights. This time would vary with the side balance.

This would have a few effects.

1. No one realy wants to wait to fly another fight, wrather than wait some will either change sides, or log off. Either has the effect of balancing the numbers.
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2. The wait time will also have the effect of fewer people acctualy in the air at one time. Hence also balancing the fighting numbers.


Your thoughts?


HiTech

[guncrasher]

No data to back it up.    That's a false premise.   One cannot prove a theory without an experiment.   So far we aren't being given the chance because your side "knows with certainty it will not work because we say so, even though we have no proof either" -- I believe that's called a logical fallacy.

we experimented before.  we had a 1 hour switch time and it didnt work.  is that proof enough for you?

semp

[Vraciu]

we experimented before.  we had a 1 hour switch time and it didnt work.  is that proof enough for you?

semp

Not under the conditions we have now--and what we have now DOES NOT WORK.


There are AMPLE suggestions to address any previously encountered deficiencies.


So, no, that is not enough proof for me--or any proof at all, for that matter.

[guncrasher]

Not under the conditions we have now and what we have now DOES NOT WORK.


There are AMPLE suggestions to address any previously encountered deficiencies.


So, no, that is not enough proof for me--or any proof at all, for that matter.

prove that it doesnt work.  because it works for me.


semp

[Vraciu]

prove that it doesnt work.  because it works for me.


semp

One cannot prove a negative, however, I can state with absolute certainty that your anecdotal experience is not universal.   Many of us do not share your enthusiasm for the current system as it does not work for us.   The numbers prove it.