Author Topic: How To Win In A Dogfight: Stories From A Pilot Who Flew F-16s And MiGs  (Read 1952 times)

Offline DREDIOCK

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Kinda false advertising in the title which is the actual title of the article
Good read from start to finish anyway.
Kinda surprised how unimpressed he is with our new line fighters coming out

Couple excerpts on the subject

"Will the F-35's sensor fusion and low observability (stealth) allow it to overcome its lackluster maneuverability and kinetic performance against future enemies?"

"I can't answer this one. I can ask, "Why did they make it such a pig?"


"If you had to fly any fighter into an air combat arena today, including an operational F-35A as an option, what would it be?"

"   The F-22. It's a better jet than the F-35. It can carry at least as much, further and faster. If it was up to me I'd cancel the F-35 and start building more Raptors. A common counter to that is the cost to restart the F-22 assembly line. How much does one pig cost? Another is that the F-35 program is too far along. Yep, let's just keep paying for a poorly-managed, overly expensive fighter that has three versions that make any one version less than it could be. Can you say F-111? That the F-35's avionics are better than the F-22's; how about a Raptor upgrade? I'd also build more advanced versions of the F-15 and F-16.

    OK, I've spent enough time on my soapbox."


http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how-to-win-in-a-dogfight-stories-from-a-pilot-who-flew-1682723379

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Seems inevitable, more AWACS and higher performance drones.
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That was an excellent article.  Thanks!
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What soap box? He never flew the F-35.

Meh!
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What soap box? He never flew the F-35.

Meh!

Good point!  A lot of "experts" have never flown the F-35.......F-22.......F-15.......F-16......etc.



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This F-16 aggressor guy doesn't sound like he has any experience with the F-35, either flying it or against it. At least at the time of the interview which was two years ago... Apparently the F-16 aggressor guys got their butts handed to them by the F-35 at Red Flag last month.
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This F-16 aggressor guy doesn't sound like he has any experience with the F-35, either flying it or against it. At least at the time of the interview which was two years ago... Apparently the F-16 aggressor guys got their butts handed to them by the F-35 at Red Flag last month.

Two years later the airplane still doesn't work.

As for Red Flag, of COURSE the USAF is going to spin it that the F-35 kicked butt.   They can't afford any other narrative to take hold.

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Apparently the F-16 aggressor guys got their butts handed to them by the F-35 at Red Flag last month.

I don't believe that was the case...

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Re: How To Win In A Dogfight: Stories From A Pilot Who Flew F-16s And MiGs
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2017, 09:27:27 PM »
Just dont ask it to do anything in rainy weather.

More fun with this 100 million per plane abortion

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Re: How To Win In A Dogfight: Stories From A Pilot Who Flew F-16s And MiGs
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2017, 04:20:43 AM »
What a serious and balanced article... lol!
« Last Edit: March 11, 2017, 04:22:14 AM by PR3D4TOR »
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Re: How To Win In A Dogfight: Stories From A Pilot Who Flew F-16s And MiGs
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2017, 05:33:52 PM »
This thing is just a flying Bradley Fighting Vehicle.  Watch or read "The Pentagon Wars".  Once the big bureaucratic military machine gets rolling and dollars start flying, it's hard to stop.  With a bunch of refinements, it will be mediocre at best.  Just like the Bradley or the VF-22 Osprey.  Both are great examples of horrible projects that produced mediocre vehicles at best.
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Re: How To Win In A Dogfight: Stories From A Pilot Who Flew F-16s And MiGs
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2017, 06:02:15 PM »
A mediocre fighter-bomber that can achieve 15+ to 1 kill ratios against the highly experienced aggressor squadrons flying F-15s and F-16s... I'll take that "mediocre" fighter any day.
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Re: How To Win In A Dogfight: Stories From A Pilot Who Flew F-16s And MiGs
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2017, 07:12:09 PM »
The day will eventually come when counter stealth technology defeats stealth technology. Counter stealth may not remain triumphant but it will have its day. It's the way of history; think tank/anti-tank technology. It's always a seesaw battle.

Right now, the F-35's primary asset is stealth technology. But for how long?

http://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-south-china-sea-japan-counter-stealth-2017-1

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Indeed, Beijing has reportedly even come close to cracking an engineering problem that could render traditional stealth aircraft irrelevant — quantum radar. In September, the South China Morning Post reported that a Chinese military official said China has developed a new form of radar that can detect stealth planes up to 60 miles away. Not only that, but the radar cannot be spoofed with modern technology...

..."We're in a bit of a race here," said Davis. "Stealth aircraft have to continually develop their capabilities to offset counter-stealth systems ... There's a constant battle between stealth vs counter stealth."

Indeed.

It seems the US feels stealth can be countered with new radar as well.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/get-ready-china-the-us-navys-possible-stealth-killer-coming-18966

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...“It is the physics of longer wavelength and resonance that enables VHF and UHF radar to detect stealth aircraft,” Westra wrote in his article, titled “Radar vs. Stealth.”...

...There is a resonance effect that occurs when a feature on an aircraft—such as a tail-fin tip—is less than eight times the size of a particular frequency wavelength. That omnidirectional resonance effect produces a “step change” in an aircraft’s radar cross-section. Effectively, what that means is that small stealth aircraft that do not have the size or weight allowances for two feet or more of radar absorbent material coatings on every surface are forced to make trades as to which frequency bands they are optimized for.

That would include aircraft like the Chengdu J-20, Shenyang J-31, Sukhoi PAK-FA and, indeed, the United States’ own Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and tri-service F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Only very large stealth aircraft without protruding empennage surfaces—like the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit or the forthcoming B-21 Raider Long Range Strike Bomber—can meet the requirement for geometrical optics regime scattering. Effectively, that means the E-2D’s AN/APY-9 radar can see stealth aircraft like the J-20 or J-31...

That second part in bold would be more correct if it said "can see aircraft like the Chengdu J-20, Shenyang J-31, Sukhoi PAK-FA and, indeed, the United States’ own Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and tri-service F-35 Joint Strike Fighter."

So with any of the world's stealth aircraft it's a fair question to ask how effective will it be accomplishing its mission when stealth countermeasures overwhelm the current stealth technology of the Chengdu J-20, Shenyang J-31, Sukhoi PAK-FA and, indeed, the United States’ own Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and tri-service F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

In other words, when the stealth cloak of those five aircraft is stripped away and any two go head to head, which one will win in an air-to-air encounter?
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