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How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« on: March 21, 2017, 03:05:15 PM »
So I'm arguing with a co worker about the word classic. Let me set the context. The only decent radio station we get here is a "classic rock" station that plays the same 100 songs every day. Now my opinion Classic does not equal old. There are plenty of songs from the 50s through 80s that could qualify as classic, but they don't because they suck.

My same theories apply to classic cars.  You don't see anybody restoring and showing off pintos and gremlins. 

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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2017, 03:23:35 PM »
Actually, Gremlins have a pretty strong following, as do Pacers.  Pintos might have had a following had they not all blown up.

I digress.  The definition of a classic car will vary, depending on your location.  The same with music.
I do not believe it possible to reach a consensus on the definition which could be applied world wide.

Then there is the line which once crossed makes it antique.  Many consider a 50+ year old automobile to be an antique.  I just picked up a 64 Ranchero I am going to make my daily driver.  Some call it a classic, some call it an antique, some call it junk.
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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2017, 03:53:12 PM »
Classic is something that's of recognized value and is historically memorable.
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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2017, 04:02:55 PM »
Classic is something that's of recognized value and is historically memorable.

Which will vary, depending on where you are from.
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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2017, 04:11:51 PM »
Of course. Something is only classic if people think it is. Same as with beauty.
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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2017, 04:19:21 PM »
Of course. Something is only classic if people think it is. Same as with beauty.
I agree... the cliche "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is relevant whether
the subject is modern art, classical art, ... cars etc.
 
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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2017, 04:23:54 PM »
Of course. Something is only classic if people think it is. Same as with beauty.

That would be the personal belief, which I agree with, but then there is also the accepted belief.  If that did not exist the the idea of a concours automotive event would be rather pointless.

Two sides of the same coin, as it were.
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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2017, 04:48:11 PM »
If enough people think it is a classic then it is. I may not think it is, and I wouldn't want it, but that's not relevant. I'm not really into R&B, but I know Beyoncé makes good R&B music because a lot of people who do like R&B like her music. Many of her songs are bound to become future classics, if they're not already. So a car or a piece of music is a classic when enough people think it has value and is historically memorable.
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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2017, 05:14:15 PM »
Beyonce future classic music? (shivers) Chuck Berry was classic music, Rolling Stones was classic music, my old 61 Impala was classic, my 66 chopped Harley electroglide was classic, my 73 Chevy Vega GT with a 327 and 400 turbo hydro trans and Hurst quick shift kit was a classic, Beyonce (shivers again) Rap someday classic? (shivers uncontrollably and sticks fingers in ears just in case)

So I guess Classic is definitely in the eye of the beholder

Moral of the story find another radio station or subscribe to Pandora

PS Don't forget Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes THAT was classic stuff
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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2017, 05:18:22 PM »
Actually, Gremlins have a pretty strong following, as do Pacers.  Pintos might have had a following had they not all blown up.

I digress.  The definition of a classic car will vary, depending on your location.  The same with music.
I do not believe it possible to reach a consensus on the definition which could be applied world wide.

Then there is the line which once crossed makes it antique.  Many consider a 50+ year old automobile to be an antique.  I just picked up a 64 Ranchero I am going to make my daily driver.  Some call it a classic, some call it an antique, some call it junk.

I always considered something 50+ years old to be "vintage" and something 100+ years old to be "antique". To me if something is a "classic", then it is iconic to its type/genre - age is really irrelevant and its application is pretty much based on personal opinion.
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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2017, 05:29:16 PM »
My brother's car was accepted into the Wheels and Keels Show coming up. Registration had ended the first of March. When he checked they had a couple of spots open. They told him to send in pictures.

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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2017, 05:32:58 PM »
I think I like 7

adjective,
1. of the first or highest quality, class, or rank:
a classic piece of work.

2. serving as a standard, model, or guide:
the classic method of teaching arithmetic.

3. of or relating to Greek and Roman antiquity, especially with reference to literature and art.

4. modeled upon or imitating the style or thought of ancient Greece and Rome:
The 17th and 18th centuries were obsessed with classic ideals.

5. of or adhering to an established set of artistic or scientific standards or methods:
a classic example of mid-Victorian architecture.

6. basic; fundamental:
the classic rules of warfare.

7. of enduring interest, quality, or style:
a classic design; classic clothes.
noun

12. an author or a literary work of the first rank, especially one of demonstrably enduring quality.

13. an author or literary work of ancient Greece or Rome.

14. classics, the literature and languages of ancient Greece and Rome (often preceded by the).

15. an artist or artistic production considered a standard.

16. a work that is honored as definitive in its field:
His handbook on mushrooms is a classic.

17. something noteworthy of its kind and worth remembering:
His reply was a classic.

18. an article, as of clothing, unchanging in style:
Her suit was a simple classic.
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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2017, 06:31:48 PM »
Years ago I was told a classic is usually something of age...usually 20ears or older which for it's time was a benchmark piece...that is.... it was of a quality that many may or may not like but know and appreciate...at the time I was young and it was my question...so thought everthing old was classic...but age has shown me that this is not true...possibly as an example of a new classic... the nokia 3310 there are many many other phones out there, many were better in many other ways, however none that has the recognition of this particular phone...

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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2017, 06:38:59 PM »
the list sums it up.  sometimes time dictates, maybe origins, or a sense of timelessness.  i know i we get some Nirvana, pearl jam, and offspring on our classic rock station.  some of the 90's music is classic rock.  actually by age (20+ years old) and musical quality.  when classic rock stations came out they were playing plenty of ten year old music.  I think classic rock stations that began in the late 80s and 90s were looking more for that classic sound of the previous generation, no hair metal, pop, or new wave.

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Re: How Should we Define the Word "Classic".
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2017, 07:37:19 PM »
I'd take either one of these:



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