Vote on what will be the June, 2017 Scenario

[LilMak]

hmmm back to gunnery practice for me then... cause the .50 cals to me seem week-sauce.  Must be just me.

Not just you. I'd rather have a single 20mm than 8 .50s in AH. Mostly a damage model issue.

[Guppy35]

I get what you're saying. I think (maybe) that instead of substitute, that limiting the P-51 use would be more appropriate. The P-51Bs still blow the G-14 we have out of the water with regards to overall speed and high alt performance. Especially with bombers in use, the balance will have to give the German side more fighters to devote to attack and more to dogfighting. Maybe option A would be best in this case -- with P-51Bs being limited in numbers.


That aside, I have another soapbox item: the P-47 loadouts should disable the "overload" ammo loadout. This was never used in combat that anybody can satisfactorily prove, doesn't approach even the remote realm of reality with regards to flight loads and limitations that are documented in myriad dozens of places. I did some fairly extensive research taking dozens of official AARs counting bullets expended, every reference to ammo count in every published report and even using estimated or ballasted weights did the math to find how much ammo it was accounting for. None of it came close to the overload option we have in this game. Even with 8 guns, the P-47s over Europe did so with 267-ish rounds per gun. Look at it this way: What if the game had an option for 200 rounds of 30mm on the Bf109s, when historically they only ever used the "normal" load? You'd disable that for scenarios, right? Right.

Probably not as the LW flyers wouldn't be happy about it.  Same goes for the Jug guys.  It's still just a game.  If we're going to go to the history argument then we can go to numbers on each side and all that fun.  We're already talking about 'limited numbers" of 51s.  Lets be honest, the LW guys have never had much trouble in these set ups being over their own turf with equal numbers.

Let Brooke figure it out.

[Krusty]

That doesn't always work. It is a game, but it's also a game based on historic capabilities. We don't have postwar racer engines in our P-51s (for example). We have weapons that accurately model many aspects of WW2 weapons on these planes as-modeled. This ammo loadout is unhistorical and has a major impact on frame playability whenever it's in use (and it's almost ALWAYS in use). Look at the fuss people put up about how small a % of La7s used the 3 gun package, or how few 109Fs had gondolas -- both actually existed though. The P-47 "overload" options never did.

[bozon]

Krusty, the jug overload ammo did exist. However, it may have been used only in strafing missions. I don't really know.

[Fencer51]

Hmmmm looks full to me.

[Devil 505]

With the full ammo load, the Jugs have a competitive level of damage over the total firing time with the 190's. The 267 round ammo load comes up very short.

[Beefcake]

I can't wait for another BoG typeish event, I just wish we had the numbers the old BoG had. 

Excuses to post pictures and make my $2 a month fee worth it.






















NOTE: I survived this battle. 











These screenshots are just from frame one....of seven. In frame one only 2 B24s survived and somehow I ended up being one of them. IMO BoG is still one of the best scenarios we ever ran, and the Allies lost that one. I just wish we had the numbers.

[Guppy35]

DGS had the numbers too

[KCDitto]

YES it DID!



Was a very fun and exciting scenario



Going through these old pics



Back when I used to caption them

[JOACH1M]

B.

[Brooke]

We'll tally up the votes this weekend.

For those of you who haven't gotten in your votes -- get 'em on in there.   

[kano]

i vote for A myself.

[BFOOT1]

YES it DID!

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Was a very fun and exciting scenario

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Going through these old pics

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Back when I used to caption them

I'm zeroing in my .50's as we speak Ditto 

[HB555]

A is my choice

[shotgunneeley]

Choice 1 - B
Choice 2 - A
Choice 3 - C

You say you're shooting for a two scenarios in June and October - how does this schedule coincide with planning for the August BoB 12 hour event? Is this BoG event going to be four 3-hour frames or a 12 hour event?

For the record (and not to beat a dead horse), what I did not like about the Hell over Hinterland scenario was that the Allies had more scoring opportunities - I liked the time period and setting just fine.