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Offline zack1234

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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2017, 12:11:54 AM »
Does Hitech have a board game version of AHIII available?
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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2017, 03:18:08 AM »
Does Hitech have a board game version of AHIII available?
Be some thin to start workin on , LOL
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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2017, 03:37:54 AM »
Flench, I think it's unlikely to be needed, but I have food and water just in case.  It is cheap enough and easy enough to do that I figure it is worth it.

I get 5 gallon mylar bags, 5 gal buckets, and 2000 cc oxygen absorbers.  I put pinto beans or long grain white rice into the bag, put in one oxygen absorber, heat seal the bag most of the way, push out air, then seal the rest, then put on bucket lid.  Rice + beans = complete protein (i.e., you can survive off of it for a long time).

Each bucket of rice (or beans) is about 1 man-month of calories, will keep for 30 years, and costs about $20 to do.  So, you do some of them, and you are covered for emergency supplies and don't need to worry about it thereafter.

For water, I get a Sawyer Products Mini Water Filtration System, which will filter out all bacteria and most viruses from water and last nearly forever.  It's $20.

Emergency supplies can work for natural disasters, too -- doesn't hurt to have some around if its cheap enough and easy enough to do.

I'm too lazy to have a lot of canned food and rotate through it.  But I can handle making some buckets of rice and some buckets of beans once in my life for $20 per bucket and having around a water filter.

I have enough for Zack if he happens to be in my neighborhood when disaster strikes.  I'm lacking freeze-dried meat pies, though, so he might grumble.

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Re: WW lll
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2017, 07:19:08 AM »
I am small and will eat acorns :old:

If there is a disaster will there be fatties?
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« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2017, 08:02:28 AM »
I had a wake up call about this some years back when a major hurricane came through the area and we had no power for 19 days. Travel was also very difficult for the first 4-5 days. The house was destroyed.
We had prepared to some extent but had not anticipated the level of damage we got.
As Brooke mentioned, some very basic and inexpensive preparations can go a long ways toward helping you get through a difficult situation.
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« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2017, 09:15:52 AM »
We don't know how WWIII will start - not really. But what I do know is that WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.
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« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2017, 09:26:56 AM »
Brooke, do you ever eat the rice and beans you've stored? Oh, I re-read your post and found the answer.

In my opinion that type of storing is a waste of resources. There's people literally starving to death and there's people saving food hoping they could throw it away after some decades. One might think that storing and rotating canned food is out of use in the same manner, but in my thinking that is considered as delayed consuming instead of delayed composting.
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« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2017, 09:55:08 AM »
Biz, IMHO the amount of food that Brooke is talking about is small for one family. Of course, if everyone did this it would be a sizable amount. And if I knew someone who was starving right now I would give them food out of my stored supplies.

If there ever is a disaster of some type, folks who have stored food will not be out there competing with the have-nots for scarce resources. That will improve the situation a little for those people at the height of the crisis.

I think it's a little unrealistic to believe that no large scale crisis is going to ever occur, and if it does that you can depend on the government or "someone else" to provide for you and your family.

Besides that, do you have a savings account for emergency expenses?


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« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2017, 10:04:15 AM »
$1500 cash , $500 gold coins in a safe. (Most currency or gold will be worthless, ammunition and cigarettes will be the "new" currency in a SHTF scenario)
10,000 rds of ammunition for 8 caliber types.
Unlimited water source (river 1/4 mile away) and two rain barreled gutters.
Water treatment for 10,000 gallons of water.
2 months of food supplies, various dried and MRE for a family of 4.
50 lbs of salt, 50 lbs of sugar (for curing wild game)
1 month of generator fuel.
1 month of propane fuel.
3 cords of wood.
Ample deer and elk in the backyard.

In a pinch, we could stretch it to 4 months at 2000 calories a day.

Ever since 9/11/2001, I've used the anniversary to rotate stock and add more stuff.

And I don't think NK will start WW3.
My biggest concern is Mt. Rainier, 25 miles away or a debilitating earthquake that stops the flow of food to the area for a few weeks.
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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2017, 10:14:25 AM »
 I have felt for some time (long before the current administration) that the world is heading to a major war if things don't change. A lot of factors have been point to it; Russian incursion into their border countries. China military build up, US military. Middle east tensions. Artic ice melting, Russia re building bases in the Artic. The big three have been expanding their respective military's.

Russia may not be militarily ready for war but they are pushing ahead with an aggressive agenda.
 Historically this is the first time since the 1700's that there hasn't been a world war in the first half of a century.
 China may be publically trying to nudge North Korea away from their current stance, but China is a historical ally of North Korea.



 

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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2017, 10:25:33 AM »
See Rule #4
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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2017, 10:39:18 AM »
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Besides that, do you have a savings account for emergency expenses?

IMO having an electronic account is useless in many emergencies.  Joker how well did the ATMs work during yours? - same thing happened up here with ice storms.  No sparky = no money, at least from your bank.  Probably 1/2 of the catastrophes one can whip up involve the banks either being gone, or inaccessible.  If you're going to keep an emergency account,  keep it in cash, but be prepared for that cash not to mean much in rapid order too, back that up as Ripsnort has said, with barter items of high value, precious metals, common calibers of ammunition, some cheap rifles (SKS, etc) that in a future where they aren't easily available they could be worth a fortune in trade for food, medical treatment/supplies, etc.

Ask anyone who runs a store that sells food, even a small mom/pop - they all operate on a "just in time" stocking system.  In a crisis, it might as well be called "out of time".  One day is all it takes for shelves to be completely emptied, events such as Joker's and many others have proven this time and again.  Plus, in a real collapse of society, IMO the places where food/supplies/weapons/etc are stocked and sold will be absolute battlegrounds - imagine there being no L/E available to stop fights over people trying to feed their screaming kids.

IMO the most important feature of planning for the worst case scenarios - but regular emergencies too, is fostering relationships with like minded people.  In order to maintain security - if you pipe up about having weapons, this is the entire point of having them - to have a single OP and another person on comms to receive reports from that OP and wake everyone else up if there is trouble, you need at least a dozen people.  Minimum, to maintain that OP 24/7, 3 shifts x 2 people per day, will rapidly exhaust any fewer than 12, and that's the bare, bare minimum.  See what I'm getting at?  You have to sleep sometime, so if you're serious about "protecting what is yours", you'll never be able to reliably do it unless you have help and cooperation with others nearby in your AO.  You can have all the supplies and firepower in the world, but if you don't have a group of people you trust planning to do the same in a community/location with you, IMO you won't last long, at least in one of the nightmare collapse types of worst case scenarios.

FWIW, I think that the weapons/ammo end of things is the very last spoke in the wheel, having enough food, clean water, the ability to get more clean water, medical supplies, batteries/off grid power, emergency funds, trustworthy people nearby, a good defensible location,  etc,  is far, far more important if funds are limited.  Dedicated "firepower" is the very last thing I would concern myself with, but if you're flush with $, something I certainly would want as well.  Reality is that you're far more likely to have need of supplies than weapons, there are many like Joker that have gone through some sort of storm, flood, whatever, and not fired round one during it, but still needed water, food and medication/etc.

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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2017, 10:47:34 AM »
if  you were to hit every major highway intersection, citizens in cities would starve rather quickly.

but in a nuclear exchange, top 50 us cities by population would be doubled up on, while the top 10 would be tripled up on just to be thorough.

so good luck.

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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2017, 11:16:36 AM »
Joker, indeed I expanded the idea to global measurements, not trying to point my finger towards any singe individual. Many small streams etc.

In case of a major disaster the haves would be a non significant minority especially in cities where people have got used to having an empty fridge, mostly eating out. I've learned that in the USA even having breakfast at home is more of a Kellogg's ad ideal especially for singles or dinks whereas finding a breakfast restaurant here can be challenging... Should a large scale crisis cripple the food distribution in cities there might be a Völkerwanderung to the countryside. Actually, I recently heard that starvation caused by climate changes caused by volcanic activity (The Hatepe eruption?) was the reason why the Huns left their home and attacked Europe.

Ripsnort, that amount of ammunition sounds quite a lot! We are allowed for 20,000 rounds at a time at home, according to a columnist that amount should be enough even for the active sports shooter let alone the average hunter. There's about 650,000 gun owners here, about 1 out of 9 of the entire population. So everyone probably knows someone who owns a gun, having access to firearms is another matter. Should something happen here, we'd be at the mercy of our authorities.


 
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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2017, 11:54:11 AM »
Gman hit on a weak spot in my prep, medicines/emergency stuff. Neither the wife nor I require any medications so that's not an issue.

Gman, what would you recommend for a field emergency kit? Like basics? (Scalpel, bandages, etc) for "emergency room" type accidents in a situation where we're isolated for quite some time?