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IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« on: April 20, 2017, 11:09:36 AM »
IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?

I think there is on some planes. When you consider its taking weight off the front of the plane. So how much do the LW's weigh?

So if you dump the Landing Wheels, put only half the fuel in or use a  tank, and lighten up on the ammo, Many a plane will turn and maneuver like a Nikki :D

The down fall is landing! But with practice you learn to come in level and let the prop take the brunt of hitting the strip. Or use the flaps to feather your landing holding the nose up and letting the tail scrape the strip first.

I would really love to hear other pilots opinions on the subject!

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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2017, 11:18:25 AM »
I think there is on some planes. When you consider its taking weight off the front of the plane. So how much do the LW's weigh?

Nothing. Individual parts of the planes do not have any weight assigned to them at all.
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2017, 11:39:34 AM »
Are you sure?

I landed a mossie that broke the tail off.

Upon coming to a stop, it slowly nosed over and killed the pilot.

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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2017, 11:53:02 AM »
Am I sure about what?
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2017, 11:54:03 AM »
Lusche?
Where do you get that info from?
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2017, 12:56:11 PM »
Lusche?
Where do you get that info from?
Kimo

Break your gear and look how the weight changes on E6B. It does not. Same when you lose half a wing, the plane weight will still be the same.
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2017, 01:22:58 PM »
Then why when you take off and don't pull them up, you can't gain speed or altitude. I know that's not the same as weight, but if they have one scientific characteristic, why not two?
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2017, 02:04:24 PM »
It is drag that your are seeing calculated into not having the wheels up... :salute
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2017, 03:16:21 PM »
If you're actually going to use that as a tactic, I don't think there's any saving you.

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2017, 03:29:36 PM »
If you're talking about the Stuka or the D3A1 - and flying flow to knock off your landing gear (hoping it'll speed you up), you're mistaken. It'll introduce drag from the damage - might as well left on your wheels.
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2017, 04:32:55 PM »
If you're talking about the Stuka or the D3A1 - and flying flow to knock off your landing gear (hoping it'll speed you up), you're mistaken. It'll introduce drag from the damage - might as well left on your wheels.

How does the damage incur more drag than the large fixed gear?
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2017, 06:54:12 PM »
No, you guys got it wrong. You take off and let the landing gears retrack to inside the plane as usual. Then when you get up about two thousand feet so........you can do it at any level as long as you are high enough. Pull your nose up till your slow enough to put the landing gears back out as if preparing to land.. Then point your nose straight down and at 195 mph-200 mph, they just pop off and there is no damage what so ever. The plane is ready to boogie.

Try it.
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2017, 07:48:14 PM »
No, you guys got it wrong. You take off and let the landing gears retrack to inside the plane as usual. Then when you get up about two thousand feet so........you can do it at any level as long as you are high enough. Pull your nose up till your slow enough to put the landing gears back out as if preparing to land.. Then point your nose straight down and at 195 mph-200 mph, they just pop off and there is no damage what so ever. The plane is ready to boogie.

Try it.
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2017, 09:27:27 PM »
How does the damage incur more drag than the large fixed gear?

Well, this all totally hypothetical but a well faired  landing gear with attention to intersection drag and good wheel pants could easily be slipperier than a couple of mangled stubs. Don't quote me but I think when Vans Aircraft came out with some pressure recovery wheel pants it added 3-5 knots.
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Re: IS THERE VALUE IN DUMPING THE LANDING WHEELS?
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2017, 09:59:08 PM »
Well, this all totally hypothetical but a well faired  landing gear with attention to intersection drag and good wheel pants could easily be slipperier than a couple of mangled stubs. Don't quote me but I think when Vans Aircraft came out with some pressure recovery wheel pants it added 3-5 knots.

But we're talking about the in game model.

I really doubt you would see gear failure to the point of totally falling off the plane from leaving it down on a real fighter or light attack plane. It would bend and skew and add a tremendous amount of drag and odd aerodynamic force well before that point.
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