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Offline snakeplissken

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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2017, 03:49:16 PM »
I wonder how one little tweak would change things?  Frame 4 we substitute Lancs for Bostons!

Just kidding.  There is no Frame 4.  But, all are welcome to join us in Combat Challenge next Friday!
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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2017, 04:03:02 PM »
I am up for that

Daring Daytime raid by the RAF in Lancasters

everything else the same
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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2017, 04:33:43 PM »
If that were true you would be speaking German right now!
You do realize that I wrote this referring to the game, not what actually happened in history. 
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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2017, 09:36:59 PM »
I asked earlier about what was seen in frame 3 from an ALLIED fighter pilots perspective.   I got way more than asked for, and knew when I asked I would get just that.

So first off I was the frame 1 and frame 3 Allied Cic.   So based on the replies here are my thoughts. 

I KNEW!!! Regardless of what some folks posted here, that the Axis would be @30k and they would stay there, until targets of real worth ( bombers ) were called out.   From that point their main objective would be said targets of worth.

I KNEW!!! That I was WITHOUT DOUBT!!! In some way, shape, or form going to hit all 3 targets in frame 1, and with some help from the boss ( Rodent57 ) if possible was going to do the same in frame 3.   Which actually gave 2 axis squads something to do, because had G3 NOT!  Gone to A119, the 49th and 367th would have spent their evening flying around and holding their Johnson's.  Which would have been the basic highlight of their evening, which I suppose to some is fun.......  Just not in my world folks!  Now in frame 1 the Axis left a base totally unprotected, just out of sheer luck the POTW happened to flow there, but really overall they didn't shoot down many in that raid.  So why was the base not defended for the full frame?

Boston's in this setup, are actually not a bad plane.  The real issue lies in the lack of an alt cap, lack of any weather, and amazing radar!  None of which I control, so I have to deal with, just like everyone else I suppose.

In frame 1 I used Hurri's more so than in frame 3.   Now had I known earlier that an Allied squad actually wanted Hurri's I would have used more ( my apologies to the AK's ).   Do I think they may have made any real difference?  No.

It baffles me how after a setup, Axis folks come here and say.  You should have done this, or that, or flown this alt, or attacked this way, but then state " was a fun frame, fun fights"...... Well that's cool, next time the setup comes along, you guys be the ALLIED Cic.   

Oh wait, you can't do that your "dedicated axis".... My bad.  FSO is a team event, and like it or not, it goes beyond the 2 sides.

In both frames I Cic'd, I saw in text during, and dealt with prior to FSO start times where folks actually complained about the orders.   To the extent I finally said " do what is gonna make ya happy, and whatever makes you feel good"   Essentially they had free reign.   They squeaked to get though.   I  shocked me to say the least.  Because I had been led to believe people wanted detailed orders, orders with exact timing on routes, drop alts, sweep and escort roles....  Well let me tell ya, and I am telling it from a Axis and Allied Cic role that info is WRONG!!

Being a Cic from what I have been able to tell over the last 7-8 years I have been doing it, is in my book, from my perspective, and dealing with the rules laid out by CM's,  actually a bigger PITA than it's worth anymore.  Back in the day, when I asked Daddog for the chance to Cic, I had no clue, nor could imagine I would be to the point I am today.....  :mad:

I made the decision @ 9:30 pm Tuesday night to do the Allied orders for frame 3, because no one else would.  It was that or have the setup CM make allied orders, which I personally didn't think was right.   I wish I would have passed on it, but I am funny like that I guess.

I told my squad after the frame, I had Cic's my last FSO for a while, a very long while.   I have no desire, or intent to do it again anymore.  What I dealt with in e-mails during frame 1, our mission for frame 2, and read on 150 during frame 3, especially prior to launch has me in a state of mind where I could just care less about it all anymore.

It's a decent setup this one, just needs a few tweaks in arena settings (weather), scoring, and maybe some numbers modifications on air frames.

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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2017, 11:13:47 PM »
Vf17 basically flew around all night waiting on an attack at 119. When it finally came we couldn't catch you. So thanks.


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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2017, 12:17:02 AM »
I am going to leave the historical vs game reference alone.  Instead, I will swing this back around to the positive, I want to Thank Jdog for stepping up as CIC for 2 frames of this event.  If you have not done that job, I feel that your opinions on game play don't count.  When you look at what the squads requested and what they flew, versus what targets need hit plus the plane limits, you get an uncomfortable feeling that you are dancing to someone else's music.  I don't need an Amen here, just a "good job CiC for stepping up and getting the orders out."  Way to Go Jdog!
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Offline LilMak

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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2017, 12:27:26 AM »
Defense is always easier in FSO. It gets MUCH easier with darbar and having zero fear of the enemy fighters.
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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2017, 07:51:33 AM »
JDog I thought your plan was pretty good for that 3rd frame.

I tried to fly as close to your intent as I could.  After making the deception runs as requested I took the guys downtown.  Just as we started to get a bit edgy about what to do next a trio of Bostons was observed well below under attack. 

A no-brainer decision - dive into a really bad position to save 30 points worth of Bostons and lose 20 points worth of Hurricanes to do it.  Didn't live long, but I think the Bostons got away.
I get really really tired of selective realism disguised as a desire to make bombers easier to kill.

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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2017, 08:16:40 AM »
my only issue was axis able to go feet dry, being vulched while trying to land,with no ammo left was the death of most of my squad, basically all they had to do was wait until after the
 attack and get any bombers or fighters on their way home, by the looks of the time of some kills they did just that.My squad would of rearmed and upped to attack axis fighters but we never got the chance.
  Besides that we had a blast and look forward to every FSO.
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Offline tunes

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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2017, 08:49:38 AM »
Hello, tunes here ...

I do not like the use of darbars in FSOs. Has it been more of a Mission Parameter now?

With all the cloud formations we have now to hide in.
It is something to think about for a tweak and to ad realism.

Attacking a target. No matter the Aircraft or Pilot Numbers. Really depends on Surprise.
And with the LCA unpredictability.

After looking at the Dar's. we had the speed and fuel to change the attack mission planning to go around the defenders line for the surprise direction on the A110 attack.

We where successful. Good fighter cover however low on fuel was gallant.

I thank the CIC for doing double duty this Month.

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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2017, 12:06:49 PM »
Quick rundown here. Setups are better with balanced requirements where both sides attack and defend. Alt limits should be an all or nothing situation. All planes have them or no planes have them.  Dar bars should be left out of FSO. This  makes defenders work to the level of the attackers efforts. Listing multiple targets will leave squadrons without action at times. Unsure of a solution on this. Finally targets  be separated by enough distance to keep the sides from completely overwhelming power in one location. Lastly, dial all ack back to the minimal.amount needed.  Thank you CM's and fellow players. Lets set our minds to May FSO.

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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2017, 12:29:28 PM »
Waystin, that might be the most concise, accurate, and actionable AAR i've ever read in AH. Thanks for posting!
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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2017, 12:54:38 PM »
Waystin, that might be the most concise, accurate, and actionable AAR i've ever read in AH. Thanks for posting!
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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2017, 01:11:31 PM »
I love FSO, my guys love FSO and I want to see the community thrive.  :aok


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Re: Allied Frame 3
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2017, 01:42:29 PM »
Didn't I just say that?

Of course My Hero, Said it better. More panache.

Until we meet again "in a heavy cloud formation".

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