Axis orders Frame 2 Dillingers Wake

[captain1ma]

waiting for approval. will send as soon as they are ok'd.

<edit> im pretty sure I got the go ahead, so they are out. have at it and send me any questions!!

be careful. I recycled some of the colors. make sure you're in the right place. thanks.

[Devil 505]

LTG good to go.

[Kanth]

 

[puller]

Air Raiders received 

[Trainee]

Unforgiven good to go.
 

[1Canukk]

good to go........

[Shrike]

AK's are good 

[KCDitto]

AXIS ORDERS

Find enemy...............

Here they are!   

[FBDragon]

  Gee that happened to Greziz and myself towards the end of the frame ourselves lol

[cav58d]

18 P-38's + 2 staggered non formation B-25's = credible force?   

[waystin2]

18 P-38's + 2 staggered non formation B-25's = credible force?   

I was responsible for them and there were twelve.  Lost one to disco and all attempted to make it to target and 5 did before T+55mins.  Check the logs before tossing out off the cuff comments. On a side note: The Pigs were in ecstasy to find themselves in bombers for a second week running. 

[Devil 505]

Problem is, Waystin, that in the one side assault design with only 2 objectives that 12 solo bombers does not provide a sufficient numbers targets fpr the ammount of defenders. This design does have a 40 plane per objective minimum for each side, but when CiC's play the point saving game by not taking formations it leaves many defenders burning holes in the sky. Formations should be made mandatory going forward in assault designs. There should be no benefit for timid planning.

[EagleDNY]

If you want to make a 40 plane formation mandatory assault design for future FSOs - feel free.   When you do so, how about making sure that the target is large enough so that the bomber force actually has legitimate targets for everybody?   40 B-24s (or B-25s) simply do not have enough hanger targets at a small base, so the option is a) don't take formations or b) put up half the bomber force as targets for the defense when they have no legitimate ability to score points for the offense. 
I took the CiC duty this Frame, and frankly if the B-24s had been stationed anywhere near A43 I would have sent half of them over there.  The only reason I didn't was that I would have had them spending most of the 2 hours flying the 400 miles over there and then landing at A33 - not that much fun for the bomber boys.   

[waystin2]

Problem is, Waystin, that in the one side assault design with only 2 objectives that 12 solo bombers does not provide a sufficient numbers targets fpr the ammount of defenders. This design does have a 40 plane per objective minimum for each side, but when CiC's play the point saving game by not taking formations it leaves many defenders burning holes in the sky. Formations should be made mandatory going forward in assault designs. There should be no benefit for timid planning.

I concur with you.  But do not toss timid comments. I made the decision to fly singles.  I was not going to give up 540 points for a field that only had enough targets to tally up to around 200+ points.  Both sides should have attack components at all times.  When it was removed from the Axis in this setup, this went down hill in a hurry.

[j500ss]

I think given the rewrite of the setup things are what they are.   To make formations mandatory is fine, but there must be a payoff.   Blowing 30 points in buffs for a lousy 15 point hanger makes zero strategic sense.   If a formation is worth 30, then a hanger MUST be worth 30.

I seriously considered having Boston missions dump 1 bird after launch last month, simply because the bomb load of 2 was more than enough to drop a hanger.

Credible force?   In this day and age of FSO, just exactly what constitutes it?   Should it be based on target size?  Remember we only have 90-100 guys per side anymore.   I've personally seen what 7-10 guys can do to a medium airfield.   Heck I can get ya film.   Why should any side have to be fodder for anyone sitting at 30K + just waiting to dive in for easy kills?   Makes no sense to me.

That said, if said buffs have at least decent defensive capability ( ie B-17, B-24, Lancs )  then I can somewhat agree with mandatory formations.

That said, this whole notion of one sided assaults is becoming a problem.  The comment about  " not providing sufficient numbers for defenders" backs it up. 

I'm not sure where the "40 plane minimum per objective" rule is, but that was a non issue in frame 2 as the Cic pretty much split the allies 50/50.

In the end, I feel the setup should have been run as initially written, but for whatever reasons it was not sadly.  Next up, frame 3.