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Offline Randy1

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Black background with text
« on: May 11, 2017, 01:31:36 PM »
There several places like on the clipboard that use text with a black background.  Please consider for better clarity a different background color.

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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2017, 01:59:59 PM »
I am confused.  A black background offers the highest contrast possible to any non-black color text being shown.
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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2017, 05:58:54 AM »
I am confused.  A black background offers the highest contrast possible to any non-black color text being shown.

That could be the problem.  The contrast is too high.  Regular AH it is a bit blurry, VR it is much worse.  Note the opening VR safety warning is crystal clear.

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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 06:20:52 AM »
I am still confused.  Any background color, other than black risks it being illegible to anyone who may have a problem with seeing colors.  For instance, if the text is green and the background is yellow, I would not be able to see the text at all.

Black is the only color which allows all text to be visible, regardless of any ability to see color the player may have.

By the way, if you force anistropic filtering on, it will blur the text in the game.  If you force anti-aliasing on, it could blur text in the game.
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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 06:57:31 AM »
By the way, if you force anistropic filtering on, it will blur the text in the game.  If you force anti-aliasing on, it could blur text in the game.

Did not know that. Thanks!

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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2017, 03:14:29 PM »
I am still confused.  Any background color, other than black risks it being illegible to anyone who may have a problem with seeing colors.  For instance, if the text is green and the background is yellow, I would not be able to see the text at all.

Black is the only color which allows all text to be visible, regardless of any ability to see color the player may have.

By the way, if you force anistropic filtering on, it will blur the text in the game.  If you force anti-aliasing on, it could blur text in the game.

The oculus safety warning is very clear. It is not a black background.  Not trying to argue with you Skuzzy.   You are the expert.  Just hoping to improve the VR experience.

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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2017, 04:10:13 PM »
I was waayyyy confused until he clarified this is a VR issue.
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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 02:30:34 PM »
I was waayyyy confused until he clarified this is a VR issue.


Not just VR but it is much worse in VR.  The white on black is not very sharp and  if you include the blurry gauges in the cockpit.

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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 02:51:56 PM »
Because I have heard you complain about blurry text for a very long time and never got anywhere asking about it.  I thought I might post a couple of images to see if this is what you are calling blurry.

One is of the tower, and the other is in the cockpit of a plane (B24).  Does the text in these images reflect what you are calling "blurry"?

I have left them the size there were taken so as not to alter the way they appear in the game.


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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2017, 02:24:13 PM »
What FOV setting for these pictures?

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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2017, 02:31:19 PM »
What FOV setting for these pictures?

Default.  90.

If you think it makes a difference, then what FOV would you like me to shoot them at?
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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2017, 02:32:39 PM »
I don't see blurriness in either image ... I do see pixilation
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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2017, 02:35:38 PM »
I don't see blurriness in either image ... I do see pixilation

You mean aliasing?  Yes, because I have disabled anti-aliasing.  It is a trade-off.  If you want clear text and guage text, then you have to do without anti-aliasing as it WILL blur the edges of any 3D texture and there is nothing anyone can do about it.  It is the nature of anti-aliasing.
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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2017, 02:54:50 PM »
Default.  90.

If you think it makes a difference, then what FOV would you like me to shoot them at?

I just wanted to make sure we were comparing the same view.  The answer is no, my view of the tower and B24 are not that sharp in regular AH and of course VR is much worse.

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Re: Black background with text
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2017, 02:55:56 PM »
For us non-geeks, would you advise having anti-aliasing on or off (For best overall game play)?

 
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