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Offline bustr

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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2017, 01:44:41 PM »
Buzzsaw is hated for a variety of reasons by a variety of people. Best to just accept this fact and not allow Buzzsaw to have a divisive effect on our forum community. The map is disliked...

I have some terrain builder's questions about Buzzsaw related to complex top features and light.

1. - Is buzzsaw harder to play on during low light than other terrains in rotation?
2. - Or with the already bad feelings, does low light have a multiplying effect on those bad feelings?
3. - Or does low light on any map increase bad feelings about game play?

Buzzsaw being hated so much, it is an excellent learning experience because of the direct and unvarnished descriptions of game play and descriptions of what is wrong on it. Some aspects of it helped me with bowlma and I'm still pulling information for my current Oceania. Buzzsaw is the 10 year old unopened box of chocolates gift that just keeps on giving. :O
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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2017, 02:58:09 PM »
I like the map. We have very few maps (8?). The Dirty Little Bishs reset it in about 6 hours anyway. :noid
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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2017, 05:13:18 PM »
Griping is an art. HT will not pay attention to "I can't find a fight" or I can't get my 5 kills per sortie" or "this map sucks" How about this?
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God has seen fit to give me perfect vision. He has also equipped me with the reflexes and stamina to fly these animated aeroplanes. I have spent the time in the TA, DA, and the MA. Although I realize the hard work and creativity that went into developing this map, I feel that this is a waste of my god given talent as a fighter pilot. I am not suggesting elemenating this map, just reduce the amount of times if comes up in the rotation.

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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2017, 05:14:01 PM »
Logged in. Saw the map.54 people on. Logged off. I appreciate the effort that went into it but sometimes things just don't work out. Rite idea wrong execution.
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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2017, 05:22:42 PM »
Take a Xanax, its only up for a few hours at a time. :bolt:
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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2017, 05:33:44 PM »
A bottle of Dewar's in on the way. (I can't afford the single malt stuff) Never saw a need for it.  :cheers:


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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2017, 05:38:04 PM »
Aside from it's general lameness, the map is causing many players to simply log off. Whether you like or not is irrelevant. The fewer the players, the less incentive to pay.
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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2017, 05:41:29 PM »
Take a Xanax, its only up for a few hours at a time. :bolt:

we're on day 2 now. That's quite a bit more than a "few hours", genius.
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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2017, 05:51:40 PM »
The only redeeming factor to the Buzzsaw is my Hurri 2D gets lot of work with all of the tanks running strats.

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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2017, 06:08:41 PM »
Gentlemen, Ladies, and all the other undefined things that defy description,

Hmmm, using ONLY this thread as an indicator one might begin to believe that Buzzsaw is reviled, and that as soon as it shows up everyone logs off.

But not so fast!

The following folks have stated that they hate it and a portion of them claim they see buzzsaw and log off:
1] Hgtonyvi
2] Cav58D
3] Vraciu
4] LilMac
5] Slate
6] Devil 505
7] SFRT-Frenchy
8] Squire
9] Joker
10] ACE
11] Bozon
12] Becinhu
13] Blutic.

Now, if we use PIPZ's example: Buzzsaw was loaded, there were {only} 54 people on, so he logged off.

The simple reality though is that even if ALL 13 of the folks who say they hate it/won't play on it had stayed, PIPZ would have logged on, seen 67 people on and likely still have determined that there weren't enough on, and logged off ...

Everyone has something about every map that they don't like (or they aren't paying attention).   

Let's face it, it isn't Buzzsaw that is causing lack of fights.   Player numbers are simply low and sustained fights are becoming harder to find.

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FWIW: I find Buzzsaw interesting.   There are parts that I detest.   But, I don't let the terrain dictate whether or not I'll play--expand your flying horizons!

Cheers, :cheers:

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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2017, 06:16:55 PM »
Gentlemen, Ladies, and all the other undefined things that defy description,

Hmmm, using ONLY this thread as an indicator one might begin to believe that Buzzsaw is reviled, and that as soon as it shows up everyone logs off.

But not so fast!

The following folks have stated that they hate it and a portion of them claim they see buzzsaw and log off:
1] Hgtonyvi
2] Cav58D
3] Vraciu
4] LilMac
5] Slate
6] Devil 505
7] SFRT-Frenchy
8] Squire
9] Joker
10] ACE
11] Bozon
12] Becinhu
13] Blutic.

Now, if we use PIPZ's example: Buzzsaw was loaded, there were {only} 54 people on, so he logged off.

The simple reality though is that even if ALL 13 of the folks who say they hate it/won't play on it had stayed, PIPZ would have logged on, seen 67 people on and likely still have determined that there weren't enough on, and logged off ...

Everyone has something about every map that they don't like (or they aren't paying attention).   

Let's face it, it isn't Buzzsaw that is causing lack of fights.   Player numbers are simply low and sustained fights are becoming harder to find.

...

FWIW: I find Buzzsaw interesting.   There are parts that I detest.   But, I don't let the terrain dictate whether or not I'll play--expand your flying horizons!

Cheers, :cheers:

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For the 13 that complained you can add at least four more apiece that didn't speak out on the forums but did the same thing.  That's 13 x 4 or 52. 

 A cost/benefit analysis would show this map does more harm than good.   Purge it.


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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2017, 06:33:10 PM »
Zero empirical evidence submitted!

As we waste flying time typing right now, the Uterus map is loaded in Melee.   

It is Prime time ... and there are only 110 people playing. 

It ISN'T Buzzsaw causing the numbers...though I'll concede that Buzzsaw might not be helping some people either.

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Offline Devil 505

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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2017, 06:41:44 PM »
Rodent, the 13 you named hate Buzzsaw/don't play anymore on Buzzsaw precisely because there are no fights on it and the map does not promote air battles.

THAT IS THE CAUSE

PERIOD.
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Offline LocoMoto

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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2017, 08:10:28 PM »
Zero empirical evidence submitted!

As we waste flying time typing right now, the Uterus map is loaded in Melee.   

It is Prime time ... and there are only 110 people playing. 

It ISN'T Buzzsaw causing the numbers...though I'll concede that Buzzsaw might not be helping some people either.
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Re: Buzzsaw Map
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2017, 08:39:18 PM »
we're on day 2 now. That's quite a bit more than a "few hours", genius.
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