Buzzsaw Map

[mako04]

we're on day 2 now. That's quite a bit more than a "few hours", genius.

Map was up, Bish almost reset...then HT reset with server update to a new start of "Buzzsaw" How many hours for the map to rotate through twice?  Maybe a bit more than 12...not much.

[WEZEL]

We want Trinity 

[Vraciu]

Zero empirical evidence submitted!

As we waste flying time typing right now, the Uterus map is loaded in Melee.   

It is Prime time ... and there are only 110 people playing. 

It ISN'T Buzzsaw causing the numbers...though I'll concede that Buzzsaw might not be helping some people either.

I don't have to cite empirical evidence.   It is a known fact that for every customer that complains you have X number that do not but agree with the sentiment.   I actually understated the number significantly.

[Vraciu]

the game is in a death spiral growth wise. Ive seen it with several other games over the years. Takes a long time before the impacts really pinch a head office.

I lived through the WBs death spiral.  It was not fun.

Hopefully that isn't the case here.

[LocoMoto]

And you'd be a script deep into your xanax.

Took a xanax one night while drinking years ago. Thats not a funny joke.... Thats hilarious

XANAX IS DA DEVIL

[Rodent57]

I don't have to cite empirical evidence.   It is a known fact that for every customer that complains you have X number that do not but agree with the sentiment.   I actually understated the number significantly.

OK, I'll bite (while ignoring the rude shouting from earlier by DEVIL --- cause THAT is going to impress me ... NOT!!!!!) ... what IS the number then?

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careful (Its a trap!)

[Rodent57]

Rodent, the 13 you named hate Buzzsaw/don't play anymore on Buzzsaw precisely because there are no fights on it and the map does not promote air battles.

THAT IS THE CAUSE

PERIOD.

Dear Sir Devil,

IF the '13' that won't play on Buzzsaw were to simply up and choose 2 sides....wouldn't that be at least a 6 vs 7 fight? 

OR, if there are say ... 4 times as many people doing it then they could be having a 24 vs 28 fight ... but, they aren't.

The MAP doesn't make that decision, you do.

I'll defend to the death (I did for 35 years) your right to believe as you choose to believe. 

But I'll not sit here and watch BAD MATH and BAD LOGIC be tossed around like so much Caesar salad!

It's just wrong!

PS I'm not a fan of the BuzzSaw map either.

Lastly, I just spent ~3 hours fighting on the UTE map...and the numbers were never very big.   There were several small fights (with the usual suspects bringing 262s to pad their scores).

I know that one of the "Buzzsaw 13" was there ... where were the other 12 (48)?
 

 

[pipz]

No...its the map.

[Squire]

to me it looks like its mainly about people cannot handle new stuff..

Umm...ya...

Nope that's not it.

The map just sucks.

[Vraciu]

OK, I'll bite (while ignoring the rude shouting from earlier by DEVIL --- cause THAT is going to impress me ... NOT!!!!!) ... what IS the number then?

...

careful (Its a trap!)

Bite all you want.   I'm not. 

You can search for it.   The studies on this are widely known.   You can also look at survey response rates to better understand the phenomenon.

[LocoMoto]

I lived through the WBs death spiral.  It was not fun.

Hopefully that isn't the case here.

you see the similarities though right?

[Vraciu]

you see the similarities though right?

Yep.  I mentioned it two years ago or so.   I referred to it as a "slog" and a "death march".    Got called all sorts of names (Chicken Little, etc.) for it...   Go figure.

There is time to reverse course.   I still advocate for certain rides to be free in the Melee to drive numbers UP.   I don't know if that will matter, though, if there isn't a method in place to get out there and grab new people to begin with.    Also, if Buzzsaw is the first map new people see they will flee.

(If anyone doubts my dedication to and advocacy for this game all they need to do is look at my signature.  The loyal opposition is still loyal after all.)   

[LocoMoto]

Yep.  I mentioned it two years ago or so.   I referred to it as a "slog" and a "death march".    Got called all sorts of names (Chicken Little, etc.) for it...   Go figure.

There is time to reverse course.   I still advocate for certain rides to be free in the Melee to drive numbers UP.   I don't know if that will matter, though, if there isn't a method in place to get out there and grab new people to begin with.    Also, if Buzzsaw is the first map new people see they will flee.

(If anyone doubts my dedication to and advocacy for this game all they need to do is look at my signature.  The loyal opposition is still loyal after all.)   

no need to cast your pearls to swine you have put in your time. Its because your right you get that kind of ack

[Vraciu]

no need to cast your pearls to swine you have put in your time. Its because your right you get that kind of ack

Thanks.  Much appreciated.  Keep fighting the good fight.   

[Rodent57]

Yep.  I mentioned it two years ago or so.   I referred to it as a "slog" and a "death march".    Got called all sorts of names (Chicken Little, etc.) for it...   Go figure.

There is time to reverse course.   I still advocate for certain rides to be free in the Melee to drive numbers UP.   I don't know if that will matter, though, if there isn't a method in place to get out there and grab new people to begin with.    Also, if Buzzsaw is the first map new people see they will flee.

(If anyone doubts my dedication to and advocacy for this game all they need to do is look at my signature.  The loyal opposition is still loyal after all.)   

I don't doubt ANY of the folks that are writing in this thread's dedication/game loyalty...Never have, don't expect to.

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Rodent57
AH III Lead Trainer