Dillinger's Wake Feedback

[Frodo]

The F6F vs KI84 & Nik, the pilot has to know what he is doing in the F6F.

The KI84 & NIK vs the P38s & F4Us, is much better for the average pilot.

The P38s and F4Us run away from the KI61 at will.

I am also in favor of no points. FSO used to be about the fight, not who has the best score.

Also think an early war plane set would be fun in a Japanese vs Russia set up.

 

[Kanth]

I do like that idea. 

I am also in favor of no points.

[Drano]

I do like that idea. 

For the rest of the game too. Points! Hehe.

Now Pints! That I could warm up to!

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[waystin2]

I am also in favor of no points. FSO used to be about the fight, not who has the best score.

I have always played for the death and destruction.  The focus on points wears me out...

[captain1ma]

to me the fso has always been about the mission. its never been about fights. that's what the bbs and the MA is for. its about immersion, to accomplish a common goal.

using points is just a way to measure an accomplishment. if you ask me, the side with the LEAST deaths would be the winner no matter what the targets. war is always measured in human lives.

I like to sneak in, bomb a target and get home without a fight. fighters are whats in my way to accomplish my mission. we kill other planes to stop them from accomplishing their missions, not because we need the fight. engaging in a fight means the possibility of not making it back, again that's a life.

maybe we should try least lost lives wins, see how many would be willing to fight then?

as for bombing in manual mode--we've done it in the fso many times. saying im going to withdraw my squad because if it? really? how about embracing a challenge and getting the job done. JG54 has pretty good success with both manual and MA Mode bombing. we pride ourselves on getting the job done, no matter what it is, not running away from a challenge with our skirts hiked up.

my 2 cents. flame away!!

[Dantoo]

What I was getting around to Dantoo is that when either side is the only one that has to fly bombers then they should be unfettered in how they get this job done.  Since we already know what the bombers have to hit and roughly when the bombers have to hit it by, adding an altitude cap is like putting gift wrap on the bombers considering the caliber of players we have in this community.

Oh yeah, I agree with you and all your original points.  I was trying to make clear a further point that making it harder to fly bombers, than now, is a certainty to bring on another exodus of players.
It can be a thankless task to be buff driver but at least you have the satisfaction of knowing you make a difference when you get through....that is unless- there are not enough points at the target to justify the flight, or a guarantee through server settings that very few will hit the target at all.  It drags that last tiny little bit of fun out of the game knowing that you are just wasting your effort by even logging on.

May as well get volunteers to arse about in goons and provide target practice.

I particularly dislike artificial constraints (especially when they are brought in just to make one side into useless sitting ducks).

[WxMan]

to me the fso has always been about the mission. its never been about fights. that's what the bbs and the MA is for. its about immersion, to accomplish a common goal.

using points is just a way to measure an accomplishment. if you ask me, the side with the LEAST deaths would be the winner no matter what the targets. war is always measured in human lives.

I like to sneak in, bomb a target and get home without a fight. fighters are what's in my way to accomplish my mission. we kill other planes to stop them from accomplishing their missions, not because we need the fight. engaging in a fight means the possibility of not making it back, again that's a life.

maybe we should try least lost lives wins, see how many would be willing to fight then?

as for bombing in manual mode--we've done it in the fso many times. saying I'm going to withdraw my squad because if it? really? how about embracing a challenge and getting the job done. JG54 has pretty good success with both manual and MA Mode bombing. we pride ourselves on getting the job done, no matter what it is, not running away from a challenge with our skirts hiked up.

my 2 cents. flame away!!

 

[JunkyII]

F4U and KI61 an even match???? Come on now if a hog loses that fight it's because the KI61 is just a flat out better stick.

Ki84 and N1Ks vs Hogs and Hellcats is a better fighter matchup.

[Dantoo]

"saying im going to withdraw my squad because if it? really?"

Yep. Really.  And guess what?  I have no difficulty doing bombing however it's setup.  It's not about me, not at all.
I have 73,110.06 (yeah .06) bomber perks which indicates at least a passing interest in bombing.

I am taking your advice however "embracing the challenge and getting the job done".  The challenge for me is to keep people interested in FSO and the quickest way to kill that interest is to build into it ways to stop people having fun.  Lack of enjoyment = lack of players.

The FSO formula (for some reason) sees at least one side attacking ground targets every week.  This is usually done by using bombers of one form or another.  It doesn't matter a hoot whether I personally enjoy flying them (I do), it does matter however that enough people enjoy the task they are given, to encourage them to roll up this week, next week and the many weeks to follow.

There are many more that don't like flying bombers than do.  Sad fact of life.    When you task somebody in FSO you should incorporate a chance for both success and survival.

Look at the complaints lodged about this last FSO.  The Buff drivers had a strong chance of survival in the B24s (not so much the 25s) but what was the enjoyment quotient at not having sufficient targets to hit?  How hard is it come up with a score system that gives more targets but shuffles up about the same amount of points?  (Genuine question).

Now, let's look at the B25s.  Did they ever get through?  If somebody did get there imagine the joy untold for the poor pilot who after using every skill and riding amazing luck now has to slow down, make a straight and level approach, stop defending himself while he beggars around with an unnecessary pita that causes him to miss the target anyway?  Lets add in some wind just to make it impossible!

Where is the fun of that??  Really.  Where??

For years we've had the problem of whole squads just not rolling up on game day because they get the "suicide ride".

I'm laying it straight, putting it up front and making it easier for the planners. Super-calibration-fragile-ballistic-over-new-caledonia  will trigger me to keep the squad happy by declaring a month's holiday.  We haven't had one in more than a decade, probably longer.

[KCDitto]

Super-calibration-fragile-ballistic-over-new-caledonia 


 

[DH367th]

All bombing in FSO is only auto. No manual calibration anymore in any FSO.

[waystin2]

All bombing in FSO is only auto. No manual calibration anymore in any FSO.

Thank you Sir! 

[Dantoo]

All bombing in FSO is only auto. No manual calibration anymore in any FSO.

I just resemble your sig!

[captain1ma]

I guess the weinies have, in fact, taken over. no such thing as a challenge anymore. its all about easy. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

please get htc to figure out how to warp the planes so we don't have to really fly them either. and then maybe figure out how to use AI so we don't have to think about combat, but just win our dogfights. and make sure autoland is engage also. I don't want to have to push a button to extend landing gear.

[FBDragon]

I guess the weinies have, in fact, taken over. no such thing as a challenge anymore. its all about easy. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

please get htc to figure out how to warp the planes so we don't have to really fly them either. and then maybe figure out how to use AI so we don't have to think about combat, but just win our dogfights. and make sure autoland is engage also. I don't want to have to push a button to extend landing gear.

    but I do know what you mean!!!! Why do people have to complain, because they might have to use their head? Someone tell me!!!