Complaints

[Vraciu]

See Rule #4

[EagleDNY]

There's a difference between reality and game.

In reality, killing bombers on their way home makes a lot of sense, becuase it prevents them from returning tomorrow. In here, killing them after the drop is hurting the own war efforts, because they will return sooner than they would after flying home first. Not shooting them doens't help, because the correct strategy to win the war is to bail anyway (unless getting shot down before being able to bail).

There's also a difference between flying for the war, and flying for personal score.

Bombing strats and bailing helps the war effort. Repeatedly even more so. It doesn't matter whether it ends by bailing or being shot down - whatever is faster works best. Ignoring the war, and just flying for kills, of course the easiest way to get kills is by taking down bombers on short final, or AFK on a long flight.

If only there was some kind of mechanic that turned a somewhat historically meaningful behavior into something that helps the war effor the most. This includes some incentive (for the war) not to bail, and probably many other things. And if only there was some metric built into score that would figure in the benefit on the war, instead of just counting empty AFK bombers taken down (or proxied).

DING DING DING!  We have a winner.  Why are you chasing bombers that have no bombs in them?  I am often amused by guys that will chase my empty bombers trying to get a kill while they leave the base they were supposedly defending wide open to the next wave that still has bombs to drop. 
Another valid point on the resupply issue - if I am bombing your strats or base trying to keep something down so that my side gets some advantage over you, it makes more sense for me to ditch after the drop and up a fresh set of buffs for the next run than it does for me to waste the time to fly empty bombers home for some perk points that I don't care about.  Why should I give you time to resupply while I fly home empty? 
Agree that some mechanic that limited the available rides at a base might fix this by making me want to fly home so that I won't deplete the supply of <insert bomber here> at the base I am flying from, but other than that I don't see anything that prevents me from bailing after a drop except me wanting to shoot it out with some fighters to weaken the defense. 

[bustr]

You have decided bombing then bailing constitutes a willful act of greifing, which if caught on film, and Hitech agrees with you, has consequences to that customer's ability to play the game for a short term suspension or banning from the game forever.

Has Hitech decided bombing then bailing is a willful act of greifing?

If he has not, then you are asking Hitech to punish a paying customer for playing the game how he chooses for his $14.95. You chose to chase his bombers at the risk of not getting a happy ending like all paying customers risk in the Melee arena. This is in the same vein as spawners on the runway towering the moment you pull your trigger each time he sees your guns light up. He is willfully greifing you by not letting you shoot him. After all you did "expend time" to help get that airfield into vulch mode. Now you should be rewarded for your effort, Hitech has to punish those guys for not sitting there and giving you your happy ending. 

[Vraciu]

You have decided bombing then bailing constitutes a willful act of greifing, which if caught on film, and Hitech agrees with you, has consequences to that customer's ability to play the game for a short term suspension or banning from the game forever.

Has Hitech decided bombing then bailing is a willful act of greifing?

If he has not, then you are asking Hitech to punish a paying customer for playing the game how he chooses for his $14.95. You chose to chase his bombers at the risk of not getting a happy ending like all paying customers risk in the Melee arena. This is in the same vein as spawners on the runway towering the moment you pull your trigger each time he sees your guns light up. He is willfully greifing you by not letting you shoot him. After all you did "expend time" to help get that airfield into vulch mode. Now you should be rewarded for your effort, Hitech has to punish those guys for not sitting there and giving you your happy ending.

I am asking that logic be employed here.   If you bail within icon range the bandit gets the kill.   It's fair.  It's even.   And it reduces frustration for the interceptors who waste valuable time getting to a con only to have him bail AN INSTANT before the 2.5K proxy kill limit (griefing) or any other time (gaming the system). 

Or you can just have fewer fights as more and more people log off in the aforementioned frustration.   

It's a problem.   It needs addressing.    If it isn't changed you will continue to see it hurt the game.   People have had their fill of this silliness.




(Someone towering while I am CAP'ing their field is a completely different matter entirely irrelevant to this discussion.   Enough with the straw men.) 

[Oldman731]

Why are you chasing bombers that have no bombs in them? 

Well, since you asked...I chase them because I figure the bomber pilot might want to see if he can shoot me down before I shoot him down.  No more complicated than that.

- oldman

[DmonSlyr]

I am asking that logic be employed here.   If you bail within icon range the bandit gets the kill.   It's fair.  It's even.   And it reduces frustration for the interceptors who waste valuable time getting to a con only to have him bail AN INSTANT before the 2.5K proxy kill limit (griefing) or any other time (gaming the system). 

Or you can just have fewer fights as more and more people log off in the aforementioned frustration.   

It's a problem.   It needs addressing.    If it isn't changed you will continue to see it hurt the game.   People have had their fill of this silliness.




(Someone towering while I am CAP'ing their field is a completely different matter entirely irrelevant to this discussion.   Enough with the straw men.)

Better just sit in the tower Vraciu. No point in actually trying to play the game and roll a fighter to actually enjoy combat. Apparently the goal is to reduce combat by any means necessary.

[Vraciu]

Better just sit in the tower Vraciu. No point in actually trying to play the game and roll a fighter to actually enjoy combat. Apparently the goal is to reduce combat by any means necessary.

It seems that's the objective of many for reasons unfathomable to my mind. 

[nugetx]

'Sir, they are attacking our base'


'Great! Lets sit here in the tower and do NOTHING'

 


Reminds me of Dr Strangelove

[Toad]

Well, since you asked...I chase them because I figure the bomber pilot might want to see if he can shoot me down before I shoot him down.  No more complicated than that.

- oldman

This.

I will also add that some people are here just for the actual fight, the air combat. The <cough> war winning </cough>  is never a consideration for them.

So " if I am bombing your strats or base trying to keep something down so that my side gets some advantage over you," there are those players here that just don't care if you bomb strats or bases to give your side some advantage. They just want to see you in the center of their gunsight.

[nugetx]

Why not just remove the ability to bail from every plane. We're here to fight, after all...

 

[nugetx]

I'm amazed you gents don't go as far as filming your bomber intercepts so you can name names here in the forums of paying customers not playing the game your way.

 'Dear Hitech, player XXX did not want to line up in my gunsights, he is playing the game the wrong way, I demand a refund, here is a video proof'

 

[wil3ur]

Then pulling the power cord or hitting the reset switch on the PC tower case would be the next whine on the belt for Hitech to do something about.

Why do all that?  You can nose down, get going about 400MPH and pull up hard and rip your wings off in just about every bomber in the game.  No need to bail or reset, just go ballistic into the ground.

You're welcome bailers!   

[Wiley]

Why are you chasing bombers that have no bombs in them?

Did I miss a feature where I can mouse over your plane and see how much ammo and ordnance your plane has?  (Hitech!  Wishlist item!)

I don't know if you've still got bombs and are going to hit something else, or if you're RTB empty, or if you're RTB still carrying bombs only because I'm here.  It's about that simple.

Ok, I'll admit if we're at 30k I'm coming after you regardless because I've invested the time to get up there, unless that second wave is incoming.

Wiley.

[Vraciu]

I did not say the following....

[Copprhed]

See Rule #4