Monitors?

[Bruv119]

so best get the tape measure out again to see if I can squeeze 27" into my cupboard then.

I have faith my new machine will handle anything I throw at it on a single screen. 

Thanks for the input greebo.   

does anyone own or know anything about AOC  never heard of this brand before but they look competitive on price.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AOC-Response-Speakers-Compatible-G2770PF/dp/B013YIR5WU

also in the descriptions of some of these monitors they are mentioning AMD freesync or Nvidia gsync.  Is this just marketing fluff or does it benefit to have a screen that supports my flavour of gfx card.  Which is a 6gb nvidia 1060?

[Greebo]

Both G Sync and Freesync do the same thing, they slave the frame rate of your monitor to the frame rate of your video card and make games look smoother. The problem is that Nvidia cards only support G Sync and AMD cards only support Freesync. So it is pointless for you to get a Freesync monitor like that AOC as your card does not support it, the monitor would work but you'd get no benefit from the Freesync technology. The only drawback with getting a G Sync monitor is the price, they are a lot dearer than the equivalent Freesync or non-synced one. If you can't afford G Sync and you are not likely to get an AMD card any time soon then just skip both sync options.

Another thing to consider with monitors is input lag. Some monitors take a lot longer for the information from your PC to get processed and display the frame on the screen. You can be lagging by 2-3 frames on some of them which would affect gunnery etc.

Also there is screen technology. TN film monitors tend to be cheapest and to have good pixel response times, (not the same thing as input lag) but are not so good on colour reproduction and have limited viewing angles. Then there are IPS monitors which are excellent on colours but with slower pixel response which might mean more motion blur. The other main type is VA which have deeper blacks than the other monitors but not so good on pixel response. Unless you are doing anything that needs good colours (art etc) TN ought to be fine.

If you can possibly do so go for a 27 inch and 144 hz. I haven't kept up with what the best monitors are since I last bought one a couple of years ago but a good place for reviews on them is TFT Central.

[Rebel28]

As for the planes at a distance beyond icon range.

This is my perspective: Coming from a 24 in. 60HZ flat panel what you trade off in pixel size you gain in clarity of the screen. I have no problem picking up the dot’s beyond the icon distance.

I also toyed with the thought of going to a 27 this was my thinking:

1. You already put out the money to build a machine to play a game.
2. The price break between the 24 and 27 was not a small amount.
3. When pulling a high G turn fight most of the time you are in a 6in circle on the screen.
4. The old monitor played at a solid 60fps but with the video card I have it’s was like running a Corvette with a potato shoved up        the exhaust. Turn her loose and let her run. 

So the bottom line for me was that with the distance I sit from the monitor what would be the gain. Unless you change the FOV you get the same image just larger pixels to fill the screen. Would that justify the cost? 

[Gman]

Greebo's post is a great summation of monitors for gaming IMO.  As well as TFT, 144hzmonitors.com is another gaming monitor site that gives accurate advice.

IMO 144hz/165hz is the most important feature in a gaming monitor.  Size is personal pref, although I've found between 24, 27, and 34" I think 27" to be optimal, regardless of desk size/etc.  TN/IPS, regarding that, I find that TN panels are great for competitive FPS games like CS GO or Doom/Quake/etc, while IPS is probably the best option for a game like AH or DCS where the instant single shot weapons aren't as critical.  IPS will in almost every case look much better in all games - I have the ROG Swift Asus 27" in both TN and IPS, one is 144hz, the 165hz, more or less the same in terms of refresh, but standing side by side, the IPS variant looks better in every case, in every game.  I wouldn't even have bought the TN except it was out for a year before the IPS Swifts came out.  I have the 34" Swift as well, it's 100hz/IPS/Gsync, and is excellent, but some might find it a bit too wide/large - if you're into 3 screen, you won't notice that IMO.

Gsync = I've not tried Freesync so I can't comment on how it works, Gsync does improve things as Greebo described, but honestly, the last 144hz monitors I had didn't have Gsync, and I didn't really miss it that much.  If $ is a concern and you can't get a panel that has it all - 144hz/IPS/Gsync, for me Gsync would be the first thing I sacrificed for cost, and again, I have 4 gaming monitors right now, the 3 ROG Swifts and an Acer 28" 4k Gsync 60hz.

Asus has a new monitor coming out in q2 this year, another in the ROG/Swift series, PG27UQ, 27", 4k, Gsync, and 144hz@native 4k res.  Acer and Benq have competitors with the same coming out as well.  If $ is no object, these will be the best panels you can get, which have it "all", 4k capability@144hz, IPS, and Gsync.  It's been 1440p max for 144/165hz up until these new models.

Rebel - I'm not 100% on the mechanics or details, but this is my experience - I went from 24" Asus 144hz monitors to 27 for my main AH setup, and I sit at the same distance, as I'm a "forearm rester" when using my sticks, ie my right forearm is on the desk, not hanging in space when I use the stick.  IE I know I'm at the exact same distance with both LCDs - I didn't notice a big change in how I saw targets or fought/etc, but obviously can tell it's a larger picture.  If I flip my 27"1440p monitors to native 1440p, I do find spotting dots a bit harder, and find the target planes smaller, so I fly at 1080p if I'm not using VR.

[Bruv119]

gman I just saw this how does 240mhz refresh compare to 144mhz   

https://www.asus.com/uk/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG258Q/

[Bizman]

Bruv, how about this:

---you could see an artefact at 500 fps if you wanted to,”

[Eagler]

I picked up this 144hz monitor the last time it had a $50 rebate as it does now:
MSI Optix G27C 27"

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824475001

The higher frame rate seems to have helped my hit percentage

[Gman]

Bruv, you probably won't notice as much a difference between 144 to 165 to 240, as you will from 60 to any of the above.  I have a 144 and a 165, no way to tell in terms of fps, just that one is TN and one is IPS.  Even telling 100hz from 144hz, albeit on very different sized screens, takes a few seconds of comparing.  From 60 to 100, you can instantly tell.

Asus have sort of made a splinter line of the ROG Swift for professional gamers especially in the CS GO and other FPS genre, they aren't IPS, hence being a little faster to refresh/update, and have some crazy refresh rates.  They won't look quite as good in AH, at least that's my experience with my 144hz TN vs the 165 IPS in the same line up from Asus.

The ROG PG248Q 24" is 144hz TN, o/c able to 180. Swift PG278QR is similar but 27", and then the one you posted, are all NON IPS type Rog Swifts.

If I were you, for AH, I'd get an IPS 144hz, unless you are competitive in FPSs, then the TN, the PG248Q is $200 cheaper than the newer PG258Q you posted, 24" Gsync 144hz etc etc.  If you have to have a 24", and you want Gsync and 144 or higher, that's what I'd buy right now.

Eagler - do you think 144hz is superior?  There is a long list of players here that have switched to 144 from 60, and I've yet to hear one post that they would go back.

[Max]

Anyone using this?
AOC G2770PQU 144hz, 1ms, Ultimate Performance 27-Inch Professional Gaming Monitor
Seems like a decent 144hz monitor for $290

[Gman]

Never used one, or seen one, AOC aren't real common up here in Canada.  They are excellent from everything I've read, that model is a TN/1ms 1080P model, so no 1440p, no Gsync either if you care about that.  Has lots of USB stuff and speakers.  Good deal if you're looking for a no frills TN 27" gaming panel - IMO it's more of a competitive FPS panel, as some players don't like Gsync in the COGO/etc community, so it's purpose built for that kind of player.  An IPS+Gsync unit would be better if AH3/Sims are your primary games, just IMO.  It will work fantastic for AH/etc, I used a 24" 144hz TN Asus monitor for a few years, the first "gaming" 144hz they made, and it looked and worked great.

For the price though, that is excellent, it's $500 to get a Refurb Asus Swift 27" PG278Q (the first/lowest model which was my first purchase in that line up).  So for an extra $200 over that AOC new,  you get Gsync and 1440p, but still a TN panel, plus it's a refurb. 

[Eagler]

Hi Gman

I went from this 60hz model
Hanns-G HZ281HPB 27.5'' 3ms Full HD 1080P HDMI WideScreen LCD Monitor 400cd/m2 X-Contrast 15,000:1(800:1)Built-in Speakers
to a 144hz
MSI Optix G27C 27" Curved Black/Red 4ms (GTG) Gaming Monitor 1920x1080 144Hz Refresh Rate, 16:9 Aspect Ratio, 110% sRGB, 178 Degree Viewing Angle, DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort, Tilt Capable

I think AH3 flies and looks better on the 144hz

my old eyes cant handle anything higher than 1920x1080 on a 27" monitor

[Gman]

Rgr that about the eyes, all of our monitors can do 1440p and one can do 4k, I play AH at 1080p on the 27" too.

[Pudgie]

Rgr that about the eyes, all of our monitors can do 1440p and one can do 4k, I play AH at 1080p on the 27" too.

It took me awhile to come to this but I've reached the same conclusion to use 1080p on my Asus MG279Q 27" monitor instead of using 1440p when playing AHIII & since AMD came out w\ the low frame rate compensation to help FreeSynch to smooth out at lower frame rates w\ the AMD Crimson 16.x driver series forward FreeSynch is working very well w\ this Radeon R9 FuryX vid card.