July FSO

[waystin2]

The question is what can we fit historically that would match the Ju's and HE's? I'm all for the community's input and making them better events so please keep giving input.

The only other bird we have available for use for the time frame anyhow is the B-26, but that wasn't used by the Russians. I'll check with the CM Team and see what I can replace the Tu-2 with. We have till roughly Saturday to discuss and balance something out fellas.

Fighter wise I truly feel okay about the mins and max's at the moment. Depending on what gets discussed here, there could be some changes. If there are any issues with the allied and axis fighters during Frame one, changes will be made for the rest of the event, as well as the write up.

Thanks for the comments, and let's continue to keep this civil folks 

 
If you have any personal questions or private comments you guys can contact me via pm

Totally civil.    My concern is my guys will not commit to a side until the write up is firmed up.  We vote each month based on the write-up and if it is going to change I like to pass that information along.

[BFOOT1]

Totally civil.    My concern is my guys will not commit to a side until the write up is firmed up.  We vote each month based on the write-up and if it is going to change I like to pass that information along.

Waystin, I believe we could probably have all of this ironed out by tomorrow. 

[Kanth]

to be OT I agree about the TU2 being too late war and causing unbalance.

But also wanted to say it's great to see everyone working together so well to make this fun and balanced for all of us.

  so nice to see. 

[waystin2]

Waystin, I believe we could probably have all of this ironed out by tomorrow. 

Coolio.

[Owlblink]

Waystin, I believe we could probably have all of this ironed out by tomorrow. 

Thank you BFOOT for hearing our concerns and taking them into consideration! I know your job is not easy and it takes a mature designer to be willing to reconsider aspects of a plan.

 

[BFOOT1]

Alright folks since I wasn't the original author I don't know if I can change the write up rules, but they will be sent out in the objectives so far the following changes are:

Tu-2 replaced with B-25 C
Bomber formations are mandatory
Alt Cap changed from 30K to 22k (this represent more of the fighting at lower altitudes on the Eastern Front)

Edit: I'll have to check the bomb load for the B-25 and see if anything needs to be elimated, just like the Bosntons, He's and Ju's.

Owlblink, thank you sir. I'm trying to make my events more balanced, and by bringing in community input I feel that will help balance things out by hearing other perspectives!

[waystin2]

Blech.  I'll say no more. 

[BFOOT1]

Blech.  I'll say no more.

Waystin if you have something to say sir just tell me or message me. I'm trying here. But with the time frame and the planes we have its not as easy to balance it out. If you have any possible ideas and suggestions let me know. I've contemplated a few that I'm going to ask my team about and see what we can change. 

[waystin2]

Waystin if you have something to say sir just tell me or message me. I'm trying here. But with the time frame and the planes we have its not as easy to balance it out. If you have any possible ideas and suggestions let me know. I've contemplated a few that I'm going to ask my team about and see what we can change. 

As a large squad we are guaranteed to see bombers for one frame.  Heck in May we got bombers for two frames in a row.  So what types of attack craft are available on each side and knowing up front are very important to us.

So B-25C's are blech as I told Devil above.  They are a horribly neutered bomber very slow with little defensive fire.  I would say doubling up the Bostons would be a better way to go.  At least their speed offsets the lack of defensive fire.  My .02 cents.  Your response and consideration is appreciated. 

 

Way

[BFOOT1]

As a large squad we are guaranteed to see bombers for one frame.  Heck in May we got bombers for two frames in a row.  So what types of attack craft are available on each side and knowing up front are very important to us.

So B-25C's are blech as I told Devil above.  They are a horribly neutered bomber very slow with little defensive fire.  I would say doubling up the Bostons would be a better way to go.  At least their speed offsets the lack of defensive fire.  My .02 cents.  Your response and consideration is appreciated. 

 

Way

Waystin, I'll talk to the team and see what we can do sir 

Any other ideas or suggestions just post them here.

[Owlblink]

As a large squad we are guaranteed to see bombers for one frame.  Heck in May we got bombers for two frames in a row.  So what types of attack craft are available on each side and knowing up front are very important to us.

So B-25C's are blech as I told Devil above.  They are a horribly neutered bomber very slow with little defensive fire.  I would say doubling up the Bostons would be a better way to go.  At least their speed offsets the lack of defensive fire.  My .02 cents.  Your response and consideration is appreciated. 

 

Way

Have you ever flown the HE-111? It's slow by many standards and has horrible defences in most aspects. No tailgun, a dead six attack on one leaves it with little to no hope at defending itself. Enemy needs to be higher or lower than dead six or off to the side.

I feel like your concerns over the B-25 are being completely ignorant of the tools the axis have to work with on a regular basis. Giving allies more bostons and sticking axis with slower bombers doesn't sound much like an even chance at a win.

[waystin2]

Have you ever flown the HE-111? It's slow by many standards and has horrible defences in most aspects. No tailgun, a dead six attack on one leaves it with little to no hope at defending itself. Enemy needs to be higher or lower than dead six or off to the side.

I feel like your concerns over the B-25 are being completely ignorant of the tools the axis have to work with on a regular basis. Giving allies more bostons and sticking axis with slower bombers doesn't sound much like an even chance at a win.

Bear in mind that the Pigs are  not an Axis or a Allied loyal squadron, just discussing merits.  And yes I still would rather be stuck in an HE111 than a B-25C. I promise you this. 

[FBDragon]

Owl, I understand what you are saying but I also understand what Waystin is saying too. The B25 has no way of defending itself from a ever so low dead 6. I'd rather fly a He111 or a B25 also!!!

[nooby52]

Owl, I understand what you are saying but I also understand what Waystin is saying too. The B25 has no way of defending itself from a ever so low dead 6. I'd rather fly a He111 or a B25 also!!!

I don't know which I would rather die in, but the Jolly Rogers were in B-25Cs last frame and we were at the mercy of the 109s that intercepted us as we were headed to A128: it was a slaughter. However, we had no fighter cover, not even a fighter sweep ahead of us. That could make a difference no matter which bomber you fly.

[Devil 505]

I don't know which I would rather die in, but the Jolly Rogers were in B-25Cs last frame and we were at the mercy of the 109s that intercepted us as we were headed to A128: it was a slaughter. However, we had no fighter cover, not even a fighter sweep ahead of us. That could make a difference no matter which bomber you fly.

Yes, that was my squad that found the Jolly Rogers.

In frame 2, we had Ju88's and suffered a similar fate at the hands of a half-dozen spits and P-38's. We were toast in a minute. Thankfully we had just dropped our eggs when they found us.