collision model

[FLS]

Flippz when a collision happens to both players it still isn't the same collision. Because the internet puts you in a different position on the other player's PC, you might miss the player who hits you on his PC or you might hit him differently than he hits you or you might coincidentally hit him the same way and get the same damage.

In any case you only have to avoid collisions on your PC where you can see them if you're looking in the right direction.

Fault and damage to the other player are not useful considerations, it's just the internet creating a situation that needed a solution and we have the best one.

[Wiley]

I guess my question is, is there not away for info to be shared and dealt out by the server because obviously I cant trust my computer because what it shows me is not really happening ehh.

Ok.  You're almost there, Flippz.  That is a good question.  The reason it's not done on the server is because due to the amount of time it takes to get the information from the server to your computer, one of two things would happen:

If absolutely everything was controlled by the server, there would be whatever amount of delay is between you and the server for every single thing you do in the game.  Every control input would have a delay on it and any hiccup in your connection would result in your control inputs taking even longer to get to the server.  This would make gunnery and flying worse in every aspect.

If things worked the way they do now, but the server was the one to decide whether there was a collision or not, it would mean you'd take damage sometimes when there was no collision on you end.  You'd pass near another plane and fall from the sky with damage.

Your computer shows you exactly what happens to your plane and your plane only in a collision.  What happens (or doesn't happen) on his end to his plane is calculated on his end and passed along to you from the server.  Whatever you see happen to his plane on your end at the moment of collision is only an approximation.

Wiley.

[Scca]

Remember, you may get a collision message, and not take damage. It's an informational message.  Don't hit stuff, don't let stuff hit you based on what you see on YOUR screen and you'll be fine.

There isn't a better solution for an internet based game.

[The Fugitive]

We are not trying to be a holes here. If you can avoid hitting any one on your computer you will never get a collision/damage. That includes some bozo flying up your tailpipe. Roll out of the way and you avoid the collision. That is how it works. YOU are in control with the way they set it up.

[Zygote404]

Perhaps a well thought out sticky post with pictures and video posted by HTC might be in order.  This way when someone complains about the model, "go to the sticky" would end the discussion.

Might be a good idea - some J0ker guy collided with me the other day and started whinging about me colliding with him.

 I told him since he died and I didn't he failed to avoid me not the other way around then him n his squaddies proceeded to pick me repeatedly for it in F4U-4 (always in 152 so I'm easy to spot).

Was a great learning experience since I'm in a sort of take every fight with the 152 to learn it through seat hours and mistake


But yeah clearly even vets have no clue how collisions work

[BowHTR]

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But yeah clearly even vets have no clue how collisions work

You would be surprised at how much other stuff they are clueless on as well.

[Scca]

You would be surprised at how much other stuff they are clueless on as well.

People still think you can "reset" the map room with friendly troops 

[caldera]

You would be surprised at how much other stuff they are clueless on as well.

Some people think that Coors Light is actually beer.

[Becinhu]

Some people think that Coors Light is actually beer.

It's more like having sex in a canoe. It's $&@"&$@ close to water.


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[Wiley]

Might be a good idea - some J0ker guy collided with me the other day and started whinging about me colliding with him.

 I told him since he died and I didn't he failed to avoid me not the other way around then him n his squaddies proceeded to pick me repeatedly for it in F4U-4 (always in 152 so I'm easy to spot).

Was a great learning experience since I'm in a sort of take every fight with the 152 to learn it through seat hours and mistake


But yeah clearly even vets have no clue how collisions work

For stuff like that, there's just no shortage of people who whine when something bad happens to them.

Wiley.

[save]

How can you collide and hurt your engine, but the propeller is intact ?

[Skuzzy]

How can you collide and hurt your engine, but the propeller is intact ?

My guess would be, it is a lack of resolution in the graphic presentation of damage.  I could be wrong.

[Vinkman]

I can live with it either way, so I'm not requesting a change to the model. That said...

I've come to the conclusion that I [personally] don't like one sided collisions. If the bandit and I are close enough that one of us gets a collision, then we are too close to whine that we didn't hit him. I would like the deterrent to reckless flying more than I would dislike getting a two sided collision that I thought I had avoided. Here's why....

I have learned how to ram a bomber [with my ghost plane on his front end] and avoid damage on mine. When I run out of ammo, I can "one side collided" with buffs and knock them out of the sky, and have done it often. It's also annoying when a pilot turns right into me and breaks my plane only to discover he didn't get a collision too. reckless flying like that can be rewarded in the current system.  No guarantee that people fly less reckless however, but there should be a price for flying like a lunatic [no offense to the player named Lunatic]

 

[FLS]

I can live with it either way, so I'm not requesting a change to the model. That said...

I've come to the conclusion that I [personally] don't like one sided collisions. If the bandit and I are close enough that one of us gets a collision, then we are too close to whine that we didn't hit him. I would like the deterrent to reckless flying more than I would dislike getting a two sided collision that I thought I had avoided. Here's why....

I have learned how to ram a bomber [with my ghost plane on his front end] and avoid damage on mine. When I run out of ammo, I can "one side collided" with buffs and knock them out of the sky, and have done it often. It's also annoying when a pilot turns right into me and breaks my plane only to discover he didn't get a collision too. reckless flying like that can be rewarded in the current system.  No guarantee that people fly less reckless however, but there should be a price for flying like a lunatic [no offense to the player named Lunatic]

 

If he didn't hit you on his computer how is he flying like a lunatic?   

Nobody likes the internet effect on air combat. Feel free to post a better solution that doesn't create new problems.   

[Zoney]

I can live with it either way, so I'm not requesting a change to the model. That said...

I've come to the conclusion that I [personally] don't like one sided collisions. If the bandit and I are close enough that one of us gets a collision, then we are too close to whine that we didn't hit him. I would like the deterrent to reckless flying more than I would dislike getting a two sided collision that I thought I had avoided. Here's why....

I have learned how to ram a bomber [with my ghost plane on his front end] and avoid damage on mine. When I run out of ammo, I can "one side collided" with buffs and knock them out of the sky, and have done it often. It's also annoying when a pilot turns right into me and breaks my plane only to discover he didn't get a collision too. reckless flying like that can be rewarded in the current system.  No guarantee that people fly less reckless however, but there should be a price for flying like a lunatic [no offense to the player named Lunatic]

 

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Absolutely positively NO!

If I don't have a collision on my front end I do not want to take damage just because you have a collision on your front end.  Your statement that you can cause a collision on the other guys front end and show none on yours is.............circumspect.  Certainly not consistently, sir.