Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?

[Spikes]

I mean the K/D ratios of the "top planes" aren't higher than 1.5 which IMO is good, whereas all of the perk fighters have a K/D of 2.5+ (rightfully so?).

[atlau]

Probably because people who are in perk planes are going to be more risk adverse so as to not lose their perks. Whereas La7s are free.

[nugetx]

I mean the K/D ratios of the "top planes" aren't higher than 1.5 which IMO is good, whereas all of the perk fighters have a K/D of 2.5+ (rightfully so?).

But you can deduct the general usage of them by that


4000 kills means they were used a lot

p40E 19 kills   means it was pretty much not used at all

[Spikes]

I don't think it's really possible to limit people to flying those planes without it being detrimental to the health of the game. Players had the option to fly in Early and Mid war arenas and there was rarely anyone in there but to farm perks to begin with.

[Devil 505]

But you can deduct the general usage of them by that


4000 kills means they were used a lot

p40E 19 kills   means it was pretty much not used at all

This is why Lusche uses kills+deaths as his metric to get a better picture of actual usage. Kills/Deaths is then used to judge success.

[nugetx]

Kills/Deaths is then used to judge success.

Yes but if one plane has 4000 kills and other 19 it also means it was used a lot more.

[Spikes]

You can't force people to not fly a P51D just like you can't force people to fly a P40E. People like late war stuff, because they're good and fast. Many of these planes have their place in events and are monsters in their own right when matched up against other planes of the same time frame.

[lunatic1]

I'm guessing and i'm not guessing. If HTC wanted everyone to fly one plane, he would create one plane,  but Aces High has over 50 planes - fact.

If the top dogs fly the 'one' plane, then naturaly the worse player HAS to take the 'one' plane to be able to compete vs them.

If Aces High has over 50 planes, but everyone is flying one plane to stay competetive vs other players, something is not correct.

your assuming that it's the plane that wins the fight, a really good pilot say like Rud3boi can consistently get kills in any plane he fly's I would say 70% Pilot AND 30% Plane. and I'm talking about early and mid war  planes, I have shot down late war planes with early and mid war planes, oooh the perkies. you make it sound like we should just stop flying when new players come on, I had to learn the hard way, keep in mind the only flying games I had up until I found AH was on PS2 and PS3

[lunatic1]

I don't think it's really possible to limit people to flying those planes without it being detrimental to the health of the game. Players had the option to fly in Early and Mid war arenas and there was rarely anyone in there but to farm perks to begin with.

and to work on acheviements

[lunatic1]

But you can deduct the general usage of them by that


4000 kills means they were used a lot

p40E 19 kills   means it was pretty much not used at all

SO WHAT, perked and unperked, people are going to fly what they want

[Zoney]

SO WHAT, perked and unperked, people are going to fly what they want

Ding Ding Ding!!!   Exactly correct.  so the only folks this will effect will be newbies without perks to spend.  That will be an 'adverse" effect by the way.

[nugetx]

Sure everyone will fly what they want in the end.


but the journey to get there leads everyone through, early --> mid war ---> late war planes,  so there is a bigger variety of planes used.


This is the purpose of this - to have a wider variety of planes used, and if everyone has to go this way, we will see a lot more planes from different era.

[oboe]

Thanks for this data!   I'm not sure how statistically valid this method is, but I tried to show overall use as "Kills + Deaths".  I think I've seen Lusche use that.   The planes that I often see pretty much dominate the top of this list, although I was surprised that the Ki-84 and La-7 both outrank the Yak-3.  I think it'd be interesting to see what a token perk cost would do to usage of the top planes.  Perhaps as Lunatic points out, people will fly what they want.  I know in both vehicles and planes, I'm perk-limited, so I make more conscious choices of what I fly, and there are some planes (like a formation of B-29s) that I just don't have perks for.  I don't mind variety - I enjoy it in fact; I'd get bored stiff in the same plane over and over.  But I don't expect all other players to act like that, although I wouldn't be surprised if all the players would prefer to see more variety in what aircraft they encounter, as long as it doesn't impact their choice to fly what they want....

Melee Tour 209 Statistics                                Aircraft       Kills       Deaths       K/D Ratio       (K+D)/(Total K+D)       P-51D       4396       3963       1.11       3.76%       Spitfire Mk XVI       4192       3712       1.13       3.56%       Lancaster       1285       5935       0.22       3.25%       190D-9       3898       2483       1.57       2.87%       Ki-84-Ia       3090       2405       1.28       2.47%       La-7       2893       2347       1.23       2.36%       Yak-3       2908       2261       1.29       2.33%       P-38L       2472       2582       0.96       2.28%       N1K2       2610       2341       1.11       2.23%       F6F-5       2039       2530       0.81       2.06%       P-47M       2799       1742       1.61       2.04%       F4U-1A       2720       1622       1.68       1.95%       190A-8       1906       1905       1       1.72%       B-17G       1131       2669       0.42       1.71%       F4U-1D       1481       1886       0.78       1.52%       B-26B       693       2526       0.27       1.45%       B-24J       820       2131       0.38       1.33%       A6M5b       1435       1434       1       1.29%       110G-2       1244       1445       0.86       1.21%       Mosquito Mk VI       1357       1246       1.09       1.17%       P-47-D40       1220       1358       0.9       1.16%       Spitfire Mk IX       1233       1319       0.93       1.15%       TU-2S       490       1940       0.25       1.09%       109K-4       1279       1140       1.12       1.09%       A-20G       1236       1074       1.15       1.04%       P-38J       1343       879       1.53       1.00%       Spitfire Mk VIII       1060       1089       0.97       0.97%       FM2       1059       925       1.14       0.89%       SeaFire       915       1042       0.88       0.88%       109G-14       900       737       1.22       0.74%       Brewster       636       1000       0.64       0.74%       Typhoon       862       750       1.15       0.73%       190A-5       957       584       1.64       0.69%       Spitfire Mk XIV       709       751       0.94       0.66%       P-51B       758       654       1.16       0.64%       Fi156       91       1317       0.07       0.63%       F4U-1       725       570       1.27       0.58%       Il-2       526       724       0.73       0.56%       B-25H       351       879       0.4       0.55%       F4U-1C       885       335       2.63       0.55%       P-47N       438       772       0.57       0.54%       La-5FN       609       549       1.11       0.52%       109G-6       535       588       0.91       0.51%       F4U-4       824       282       2.91       0.50%       ME410       559       530       1.05       0.49%       C-47A       79       1003       0.08       0.49%       Tempest       926       150       6.13       0.48%       Hurricane Mk IIC       423       541       0.78       0.43%       JU88       97       864       0.11       0.43%       TA152H       554       384       1.44       0.42%       109F-4       400       494       0.81       0.40%       190F-8       289       588       0.49       0.39%       P-47-D25       429       444       0.96       0.39%       ME262       759       107       7.03       0.39%       C.205       429       431       0.99       0.39%       P-47-D11       459       350       1.31       0.36%       109G-2       367       391       0.94       0.34%       Ki-43-II       297       327       0.91       0.28%       B-25C       64       548       0.12       0.28%       A6M3       227       351       0.64       0.26%       Ki-61-I-Tei       287       237       1.21       0.24%       P-38G       247       247       1       0.22%       Spitfire Mk V       180       291       0.62       0.21%       Yak-9T       151       280       0.54       0.19%       He 111H       20       395       0.05       0.19%       P-40N       177       238       0.74       0.19%       TBM-3       53       357       0.15       0.18%       Yak-9U       190       207       0.91       0.18%       I-16       110       253       0.43       0.16%       Ki-67       102       256       0.4       0.16%       F4F-4       164       158       1.03       0.14%       Ju87G-2       101       219       0.46       0.14%       P-39Q       90       209       0.43       0.13%       C.202       172       107       1.59       0.13%       ME 163B       223       43       5.07       0.12%       Hurricane Mk IID       102       160       0.63       0.12%       Sea Hurricane Mk I       119       137       0.86       0.12%       Boston       51       200       0.25       0.11%       109E-2       87       106       0.81       0.09%       A6M2       50       104       0.48       0.07%       SBD-5       27       120       0.22       0.07%       JU87D-3       51       90       0.56       0.06%       Mosquito Mk XVI       12       111       0.11       0.06%       Yak-7B       36       83       0.43       0.05%       B5N2       18       94       0.19       0.05%       110C-4b       35       71       0.49       0.05%       B-29       47       50       0.92       0.04%       G4M1       7       89       0.08       0.04%       Hurricane Mk I       45       40       1.1       0.04%       Spitfire Mk I       14       61       0.23       0.03%       P-40C       33       41       0.79       0.03%       P-40F       35       38       0.9       0.03%       P-39D       26       43       0.59       0.03%       Ar234       14       53       0.26       0.03%       SdKfz 251       15       48       0.31       0.03%       P-40E       19       38       0.49       0.03%       D3A1       10       33       0.29       0.02%       Totals       106386       115748       0.92       100.00%

[Zimme83]

Sure everyone will fly what they want in the end.


but the journey to get there leads everyone through, early --> mid war ---> late war planes,  so there is a bigger variety of planes used.


This is the purpose of this - to have a wider variety of planes used, and if everyone has to go this way, we will see a lot more planes from different era.

So what you want is to force newbies to fly only I-16 and P-40 while the pros can meet them in Tempests and 4-hogs...

[nugetx]

So what you want is to force newbies to fly only I-16 and P-40 while the pros can meet them in Tempests and 4-hogs...

lol

Everyone would start the same if this would be changed,   nuke the current perks 



and if a new player comes 2 years from now,  that's just how life is,  players in games like War Thunder and World of Tanks have to play vs level 5 tanks in level 2